Been migrating all of my devices from a C-4 to a C-7 over the last several days. Everything working nicely. Based on various posts about the problems with Zooz ZSE40s and C-7, I left those on the C-4. What I am now trying to do is migrate the ZSE40s to a C-5 that I also use (mainly cloud-based virtual devices, etc.), then retire the C-4.
First attempt was to exclude from the C-4 and then include to the C-5. Several attempts, same result: the C-5 discovers the ZSE40, but never finishes "Initializing". No prompts for security options or label. The discovered Z-Wave node ID does not appear in the Z-Wave info table. A successful exclude was performed always prior to the inclusion attempts. I tried resetting the Z-Wave radio, hub shutdown w/power removal and wait before a restart,... all variations result in the same stuck "Initializing" message during inclusion.
In an attempt to verify the ZSE40s were working ok, I then tried including one of the ZSE40s with the SiLabs USB stick and PC Controller (not as a secondary controller to Hubitat C-5). I disabled all of the secure pairing modes via PC Controller, forcing the ZSE40 to pair with no security. This apparently works fine (the Notification Sensor Id 2 is the ZSE40):
Next, I tried adding the USB stick to the C-5 as a secondary controller, following the write-ups in other forum postings. This worked as expected, however, now many of the command buttons for both the primary (C-5) and the secondary (SiLabs USB stick) PC Controllers are disabled:
I think you are supposed to pair the stick to the hub first THEN include the device... In HE "remove" the device and while it's in exclusion mode then in the PC Controller SW use the "Select Learn Mode" and choose "NWE" to exclude the secondary controller.
Yep that’s the order of steps I executed. I undid the first test (standalone controller, with ZSE40 included), then started fresh, including the USB stick using the normal HE device include process. Problem is since the “Add” button is then disabled, I have no apparent way to include the ZSE40 using PC Controller.
So I also have a C-5 that I use for Zigbee stuff with Z-Wave disabled.. I repurposed my C-4 for cloud/network apps & devices.
I reenabled Z-Wave and paired my "Z-Stick+" with it... interestingly the usb stick did not appear in my HE devices BUT it looks like I connected - and there appears to be a ghost device.
What usb stick are you using for the secondary controller? If you can you might try and exclude it from HE by using the general exclusion process in "discover devices" + in PC Controller SW use "Select Learn Mode"/NWE and try again. Use "Classic Learn Mode" for inclusion. Maybe do the shutdown power off thing before attempting another include.
edit: I re-included it again for giggles after rebooting and removing the ghost. Everything seemed okay so excluded it again and turned off the Z-Wave service.
The stick is a SiLabs UZB-7. 700 series Z-Wave chip. I installed the latest Windows drivers from the SiLabs site. After resetting the C-5 Z-Wave radio, power cycle, the inclusion process works fine - detected as a "Device", with a node Id of 2 (no other Z-Wave devices on the C-5).
It appears correctly as a secondary controller, but with disabled commands as noted before. Pretty sure I used the "Classic Learn Mode" for inclusion. I'll re-do the inclusion/exclusion as you note and report back.
Maybe a 700 series controller cannot be secondary to a 500 series controller?
I am running "5.50.102" - I got it by installing their Simplicity Studio. I noticed that your paired UZB-7 did not identify as an S2 capable controller like my 500 Series Z-Stick. You might consider upgrading. You can install SS and still fallback on the old PC Control SW - I have 5.39 I can run as a backup but am using the most recent version.
I updated to Simplicity Studio 5, PC Controller version matches yours. And the commands that were disabled were now accessible.
Went through all of the steps to add a device via the PC Controller/UZB-7 as secondary, and have C-5 see it as a result. The ZSE40 added fine in PC Controller, but nothing would make it appear in the Z-Wave table of the C-5. Reboots, power down, Z-Wave Repair, ...
So for grins, with the UZB-7 still paired as the secondary controller, I tried the normal "Discover Devices" process on the C-5. Much to my surprise, the C-5 discovered the ZSE40 correctly! It's working fine, C-5 receiving sensor updates, and syncing config changes.
I then added the remaining 3 ZSE40s that were still on the C-4 (exclude on C-4, discover on C-5). All are working fine.
So maybe when starting with an "empty" Z-Wave network, adding the battery powered ZSE40 fails? With at least one line powered repeating node added to the network, then adding the ZSE40 succeeds?
I wouldn't think so but who knows - Z-Wave is weird. For my Aeotec sensors they were recognized and just appeared in HE and now that you mention it I have done the HE discovery thing afterwards and had missing devices pop up as well so that's a good followup step if nothing appears after a secondary controller include..
Yes, seemingly random pokes at it gets it working, not the best way to get there. Now it looks like I will need a repeater to get signal to one of the ZSE40s. I have some Ring Gen2 repeaters, but from the forum posts, it looks like these work on the C-7 but flaky on the C-5!
