Maybe an external WiFi AP may be the only way to get the signal far enough, but even then it depends on a lot of factors.
I think the biggest problem is not presence itself, its reliable detection, even with Life360 sometimes it does not work for various reasons.
Yea I feel like an iOS expert but struggled with getting this working. Maybe that was my problem.
I don't want that noise enabled...
Yep, I struggled too until I read Apple's instructions: Create scenes and automations - Apple Support
Unlike regular location access, the Home app won't prompt you to enable this feature if it it isn't already. The location-based automation just won't work.
Is that true? I am using iOS for presence and it's been perfect for a couple years now, ST last year and Hubitat this year... both via Homebridge.
In iOS Settings: Privacy:Location Services:Share My Location:
That section is setting which device that has your name/ID attached, will be authoritative as you. Which device do you consider "yours" vs a family member that is also using your Apple ID. It allows you to set which
Also in iOS Settings: Privacy:Location Services: is a list of apps that would love to use your location. Me, I turn them all off (never) except a few set to "While using" -- none of mine are set to Always. The Home app is in the list and it's set to "while using the app" and it's interesting to note that Apple does not offer the Aways option for this app. Maps are also set to "while using" because of course they don't work well without.
In other words, I'm interpreting "Share My Location" differently.
Just looking at my ping logs from last night. Each of our phones was offline at one point for at least 10 minutes. The range was from seconds to 10 minutes when pinging every 5 seconds.
This is on an iphone 7+ and 8+.
Been doing this a long time. It sucks that my system won't arm until I'm gone for at least 15 minutes, but its nice that its instant when I arrive home.
I just think "there must be a better way"
Now play this in your mind with Kevin O'leary voice:)
Hmmm? - Only 2 of the 11 options I listed are iOS only (Locative and Homekit). Only 1 requires ST.
I will say that my combination of HomeKit location and WiFi presence always works, but there is a speed lag sometimes when my phone doesn't connect to WiFi right away. I'm using an iPhone 6, so maybe the slower processor or outdated WiFi components are the issue. I'm just at the front door entering the code before it connect to WiFi on occasion. Other times, I'm not up my walk yet and the door unlocks.
Wondering that too. I turned most of this off for the screen shot here, but it looks to me like you could just enable HomeKit if you wanted.
You can go much smaller than 400ft with Geolocation. A good system also allows multiple geofence methods not just a circle. It depends on the device being used. Even with some cell phones you can go very small...
https://forums.simplextech.net/threads/how-to-use-in-homeseer.11/post-16
One user in testing setup a 10ft geofence inside their home. It worked. YMMV as always.
The locations that are available to the average consumer without a fee are huge though. I don't know even a fraction of what you know about the subject, so I have no understanding of how you're doing that. If the title means I have to setup Homeseer, well that's not going to happen here.
Most that I can easily hook into other services are around 900 feet in circumference. This is why I use a primary location trigger and a secondary WiFi presence trigger for accuracy and protection against false positives.
I mean this in the most constructive and non-judgmental way, but the stuff you're doing I really don't understand. The options are very confusing, or maybe I just being thick about it.
I think you, Apple, and me are all in agreement as to what "Share My Location" means. Here's what the screen looks like in the place where Apple says to enable this feature to allow location-based HomeKit automations to work:
This would be the first feature you mentioned. I'd rather not do that just for HomeKit, which is why I meant that I wish there was a way to just allow access for Home/HomeKit without everything else "Share My Location" includes. As you can see in the screenshot, "Share your location with family and friends in Messages and Find My Friends..."--no thanks. 
(This kind of makes sense for "guest"-type users of HomeKit who need location-based automations, but this is all set up just for me on my account and devices.) In other words, I wished it worked the second way you mentioned. I also don't like "Always" and only use "While using the app" when needed, but I'd make an exception for Home/HomeKit if I could.
You can't. Or rather, you can (as you can clearly see in your screenshot), but it's not the issue at hand. I have that enabled, and the location-based automations still don't work. It must be the "Share My Location" feature Apple mentions in their support document above. Again, I wish there was a better way since this otherwise seems like a good option. 
But you have no one showing in that area.
"People who can see your location will appear here." And you have no one. You enable that and you're sharing with zero.
But share my location isn't just something that happens. You have to intentionally share your location with someone via iMessage either for an hour, a day or until you stop. It's not a default.
I wish there was that good of a location system for Android... 
I'm still struggling w/Life 360 and HE.
I realize that my words, @bertabcd1234 don't contain the question sounds that I hear in my head... I'm thinking you know something about this that is adversely affecting me and I'm trying to understand where I fell down.
My fear, of course, is that I'm exposing location beyond my intent. My intent is to share it with Homebridge and for that to share it with Hubitat -- end of sharing 
That Switch has always seemed like a "circuit breaker" to me. There are other more specific switches, but without that one on, very little will work.
You're absolutely correct with the statement of "available to the average consumer". That is why we have released this service. Yes there's a cost so not for everyone I understand but it is still affordable.
There are real differences when using a phone for Geolocation. Not only in the OS it runs of either IOS or Android but the hardware as well. I've found serious differences even in the same phone make/model/carrier where the results are vastly different. So for phone use this is always subjective and what works great for one may not work at all for another.
As for HomeSeer... no not required. I've done testing and verified the system does work with Hubitat out of the box using Maker API. This provides (currently) the most seamless way without needing any additional "app". The post was in the HomeSeer section from one of the users form that system.
You're not being thick. The system is quite capable which makes it complex. I've been working with some HomeSeer users and i worked with @cwwilson08 with Hubitat testing with I think very good results.
Your images look like they are all "Cell Based" or LBS location pings. Whereas we utilize the Cell (LBS) and GPS. Combining both provides a more accurate location. This is optional of course. You can do GPS only and disregard LBS entirely if wanted.
One thing our system provides that others don't is flexibility in device choice. Use your phone, use a hardware tracker, use an arduino or particle board we don't care. Multiple mobile "apps" are supported so you pick what you want to use or works best with your phone. With hardware devices there's over 1500+ that are supported so there's a lot of choice and options.
You can even tie in devices through Flespi so if it can talk HTTP or MQTT then the stream can be access through Flespi and then if wanted a stream/translator from Flespi to us can be setup. This is good for those odd/custom integrations.
Try IFTTT and add WiFi presence as a secondary trigger. So you setup two rules for each person. The first turns on the location switch, and then when that is a true condition and the presence switch (triggered by WiFi) is also on, then you are deemed to be present.
Are you both confirming that I can turn this feature on, HomeKit location will work, and no one else who I don't explicitly authorize will be able to see my location (e.g., random contacts in Find My Friends)? If so, I take back my hesitation and thank you for the clarification.
I can say that is my belief.. .til you scared me into thinking I got it wrong all these years. 
Download the Hubitat app
