Zooz switches and hue lifts

Is that a question? If so, yes, if you're on firmware since June or so (no guarantees based on when your switch shipped so you'd have to check the version). I think 10 quick taps up toggles this l but you'd need a scene driver to get button events and I'm not sure if Hubitat's stock one does. It may.

In either case, Zooz discouraged me from trying it until their even newer firmware next week. I don't know exactly what improvements they have planned.

The question is...how are you going to update that firmware? You would need a Z-stick or something to update it from your PC. Hubitat doesn't do firmware updates yet.

Zooz will lend out their Z-Wave stick if you don't have one, but yeah, it's still a pain: you have to exclude it from Hubitat, then include it to the stick and use their Windows-only utility (or technically any that works but this is all they've tested) to update the firmware (which you have to request from Zooz Support), then re-include it to Hubitat and put it back in any automations you're using.

Probably not something I'd do unless any of the changes are valuable to you. If they get this firmware out, I'll try it out and see what it really does.

O wow, I almost ordered one too

On the current firmware 2.03 you can disable local control but to get smart bulb control, you'd need to set up scenes for it in Hubitat. We're improving the firmware now so that it will not require you to set up scenes but you'll be able to create an easy mirroring automation that will allow you to control the bulbs as well as dim them remotely.

How? The dimmer would directly connect to the hue app?

You would be using an automation in the Smart Lighting app that would mirror the behavior between the Hue bulbs and the dimmer. We're changing the way the dimmer reports button presses when the relay is disabled to allow smooth smart bulb control.

So the new firmware will still report switch and level to Hubitat? (I haven't tried it the current way, but I'm guessing it doesn't and you'd have to use central scenes, implemented in as button events in the Hubitat driver, for this purpose instead.) That's great news!

If you're looking for wishlist items, I alluded to one above but can spell it out more clearly here: basically, whatever it would take on the hardware/firmware side to get held and released events for up and down holds of the paddle (say, button 1 held and released for up, and button 2 held and released for down; I'm assuming what happens right now is various button pushed events for regular and multi-taps, so this would be an addition to those). Then we wouldn't have to worry about "mirroring" at all: a user could use these button events in conjunction with, say, startLevelChange(...) and stopLevelChange() (on held and released, respectively) functions in Hubitat to imitate what a "real" dimmer would do. Just an idea @Ryan780 and I seem to share. :slight_smile: (Mirroring is great but can get out of sync if you change the lights directly or have a "group" of smart bulbs but also sometimes make changes to individual members.) I realize this probably wouldn't work very well on a certain popular cloud-based platform (whose button model is also such that you'd probably have to implement an entirely new button number for some of these), but...I can hope, right? :smiley:

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I'm not sure what exactly they're changing about reporting but it will make it possible to control smart bulbs without the use of scene control.

Thanks for the feedback about held and release events, I'll pass it on to the engineers and will let you know if this can be implemented as well.

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What “smart lighting ap”

In Hubitat (that terminology was probably carried over from ST), I'd use the Mirror/Mirror Me apps. There is apparently no official documentation at the moment, but it's a pretty simple app and this post, a quote of the release notes, sums up about all there is (but do keep in mind it's a one-way mirroring, so I'd probably expose the the Zooz dimmer and not the bulb group in all your automations, voice control, etc. where you want to manipulate the smart bulbs to eliminate issues with things getting out of sync--except now that I think about it, I'm not sure how you'd handle color with that).

Is there a way to know when this is available? I've been looking into getting some Hue lights in a couple of areas but want to keep the wall switches as an option for guests and my wife. This sounds like it would be perfect. Until I had read this post, I had been considering the Zen21 and just using the scene control feature, and if someone wanted to dim the lights they'd need the app or a voice command.

Also, how are you going to distinguish devices with the new firmware from devices with the old firmware? For example, if I buy one from Amazon, it will most likely need the firmware update, correct? So, I would have to buy a Z-stick as well?

We hope to have the OTA file completed and released within the next couple of weeks. We'll keep you posted here!

This new firmware will not be available at least for another couple of month in mass production but with the current one you can already disable the relay and at least do on/off control for smart bulbs. If you'd like to update any of our devices and need a Z-Wave stick, we can always send you a loaner stick, just send your order number to our support and request it!

Couple of weeks? It was scheduled for this week I thought

We were hoping to get it out this week but still need to work on a few details unfortunately!

That's quite generous. Do you require a deposit or something? You haven't had any problem with people not returning your loaners? I'm very pleasantly surprised. My faith in humanity might have been slightly restored today. Thank you. :smiley:

No deposit required, just purchase history showing you already have the products you'd like to update. We trust you guys :wink: and always have faith in Z-Wave community!

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Like I said, that's wonderful. I just didn't expect to be reality. You've brightened my day. :smiley:

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Hi everyone, we have the beta firmware ready for anyone who has a ZEN27 and would like to try it out with smart bulbs. Pleaseget in touch with our support to request the firmware file (you're looking for the latest 2.07 version).