When people say “a lot of wifi iot will show down your network” what’s a lot?

Wait for Prime day. Could find some good deal there. Maybe also consider Sengled bulbs. I have both Hue and Sengled and like both. Hue on Hue Bridge and sengled directly on HE hub.

Do the sengled turn on together? Or separate like was mentioned. Also is the power on state adjustable

If you use zigbee group messaging.

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Tunable white is nice and can often be found on Costco’s website for a better price.

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That’s what I’d want

As far as the original question to the above post as others have said it depends on the serup you have. It it was a $30 router with 802.11n networking the your wifi could struggle with as little as 20-30 devices. If you have a solid modern mesh system with multiple nodes odds are you will get close to running out of ip's before it is a issue.

It is also dependent on how many devices you have on each radio. That is why the more nodes with radios providing the connections less chance you will have at running into any slowdown problems.

As far as comparison between wifi and hue bulbs it really is about your use case. I have had sengled bulbs for some time. I also bought 4 wiz connected philips bulbs last Christmas.

All have worked great for me.
They have been very reliable and always work
Reconnect to the wifi fine if i have a network issue
They also talk locally to the hubitat hub as well. They integrate with other services as well.
The two I have in the same room also turn on together

Would i load my house with 50 of them, well no. But if you just need a few it is nice that they are so much cheaper and have nice built in effects that hue doesn't. I have pondered replacing them with sengled color bulbs and frankly i dont have any reason to.

I am also in the camp that Philips Hue bulbs are over priced and you are paying largely for the name. If you are interested in some laughs look up paul hibbert on youtube and you will see what I mean. I am not saying they aren't good, just that they are overpriced when we have so many good alternatives now.

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In the wiz app there is a option to allow local communications. That with the community driver for wiz bulbs on these forums runs locally.

Feet to the fire, sengled or wiz?

Honestly I would auggest you just go pick up one of the Wiz bulbs and see if you like what it provides. Since the 60 watt equivalent is less the $10 buck it can't hurt. Also if that bulb doesn't provide enough lite there is a 100 wat version for just a few bucks more.

I have almost 70 devices connected to my router, most of them wifi. 20 out of them are shelly wifi modules used to controll lights, blinds, irrigation etc. No slowdown in wifi performance and instant response of shelly devices when controlled from hub (even for group commands - turn of all lights). Comparing to zigbee and zwave in terms of response speed:

  1. wifi - fastest one
  2. zigbee - quite fast but some slight delays can be observed.
  3. zwave - slowest, but not a big deal. You can see the popcorn effect when controlling multiple devices at once.

So if yo do plan to use wifi devices, here are some tips:

  1. invest into quality router
  2. use wifi devices not cloud dependent
  3. setup DHCP so you have range of IP addresseds not used by DHCP auto assignemt (in my case DHCP starts from 100).
  4. assign fixed IP address out of DHCP range, preferably directly on wifi module.

Why such a hassle with IP? If you change your router one day, you will not need to setup device by device again in HE. You just set DHPC range on new router with same wifi settings and all devices will work as on the previous router and no need to change IP adresses in HE.

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No, IMHO that is not a lot!

I'm using round about 50 WIFI devices (most of them Shelly) on my router (FRITZ!Box 7490) without any problems.

That's assuming IPv4 with a /24... IPv6 with a /64 would be a completely different matter :slight_smile:

That is true, but IPV6 is basically used for Wide Area Networks such as the Internet. I think you will find that the routers designed for home use assign all the Local Area Network devices IP addresses based on IPV4.
I have a Netgear Nighthawk RAX75 WiFi 6 router. It is my understanding that it can handle over 200 Iot devices because they have low traffic loads. If you are using more demanding clients like computers, tablets and cell phones, video streamers, and voice assistants etc. then you are likely to run out of bandwidth far sooner.

As initially configured, most home routers run using a subnet of 255.255.255.0 which means that local devices can be assigned addresses from 1 to 255 using IPV4. Typically the router is assigned as device 1 such as 192.168.1.1 on my router. Different routers might use other addresses. Older routers might not have a fast enough processer to handle 256 clients, even though you might be able to assign that many IP addresses.

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IPv6 is not just for wan. Also, real routers allow you to have more than 1 /24 subnet on the lan side.

Oh, that's not true at all. IPv6 is designed for all networks. In IPv6, a /64 is a local network segment. You have IPv6 in use at your house, whether you're aware of it or not. Probably you have an assignment from your ISP. There are also two IPv6 segments used by Hubitat, one on your lan and one on the Z-Wave network. The current Z-Wave gateway is IPv6 based.

I am well aware of IPV6.

My gateway to the Internet has both IPV4 and IPV6 addresses. However, my router only assigns IPV4 addresses to devices on my local area network. I know that commercial routers designed for businesses can use IPV6 to assign LAN addresses, but doing so is beyond the scope of most homeowners using consumer grade (under $500) routers. I doubt there are many people who have a need for more than 256 IP address assignments within their homes unless you have a 66,000 sq ft home like Bill Gates. If you can afford a home of that size, you can probably afford a router capable of handling it and pay a network engineer to set it up.

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Goto command prompt and type ipconfig. Pretty sure you'll find an IPv6 address.

I use a Fios g1100. I really want a unifi router but it’s near impossible with Fios tv

Most (all?) consumer grade routers manufactured in the last decade are capable of IPv6. The options may be hidden from you, but they are there.

Most ISPs have been supporting IPv6 to consumer endpoints for some time. Comcast is a good example--initial rollout began in 2011, and was completed by 2015. AT&T didn't start their rollout until circa 2014 or so, but I believe they are complete by now for everything but dial-up (which will never change).

IPv6 is not designed for business, nor are business prioritized by ISPs for IPv6. It's actually harder with many ISPs for business circuits to get proper IPv6 than consumer circuits. Cox is a good example--consumers can get static assignments, but businesses still cannot.

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Look on the Advanced tab to see the "Enable IPv6 Support" option. And then the "method to be used to assign LAN IPv6 addresses" option.