Two days in a row primary hub has stopped reponding after cloud backup

Hub Type: C7
Platform Version: 2.3.9.157

My hubs have been extremely reliable. My primary hub which has the Z-Wave and Zigbee devices and the primary rules has been stopping in the last two days where rules and the web ui is not functional. I am able to get into diagnostics page and reboot the hub.

Looking at the logs it seems to be happening right after cloud back. I see no errors in the logs, z-wave logs. I have looked at the memory and CPU usage and everything looks normal up to the point it stops reporting the data.

Not a lot of breadcrumbs to go with here but any ideas would be appreciated.

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What does the Location Event for the cloud backup show? (Under Logs|Hub events)

This is the last logged item before my restart:

systemStart System startup with build: 2.3.9.157 2.3.9.157 7/09/2024 5:07:21.761 am
cloudBackup Cloud backup successful success 7/08/2024 2:16:28.981 am

Hmmm, might want to ask @bobbyD if he can look at the engineering logs (you’ll need to send him the hub ID in a PM).

Yep I was also PM'ing Bobby.

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Ok where is the Hubitat support staff? I have had this open for almost a month, pinged @bobbyD with a private message and even sent and request in though the their web site. Nothing back from Hubitat on this issue. It has become unbearable to wake up with the UI and Automations not running on one of my hubs.

I have been using Hubitat for how long now? Years, purchased multiple hubs, Moved up C4, to C5 to C7 over the years.

Not really a help, I don't know where the heck they are on this issue.

But, if you're doing a nightly cloud backup, you could stretch it out if you're not making a bunch of changes, esp re: adding devices that would need the radio backup aspect of Cloud Backup.

I stretched mine out to 2 weeks at first, but I think I have it at 1 week now.

This was per @JasonJoel 's suggestion.

Hope you get a response.... If only to say they are looking into it... I'd also add your contribution in the Cartoons topic... surely that counts for something.... :wink:

Thaks for the suggestion. I am pretty stable with only one new thing added over the summer and that was to automate one of those blue light bug catchers in the pantry via a zigbee outlet. Other than that nothing else changed in a year.

That's the way I was. So why bother with the nightly cloud update, which really, is for the radio? I still do a nightly local backup though, because I'm tweaking the logic.

They are definitely working on it, and have been for a very long time.

Not sure if that makes you feel better, as it gives no ETA for any fixes. :man_shrugging:

I do think that it is likely to get fully fixed in the end, though, based on some other under the hood changes that have to be made in this area.

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:rage: Does anyone know what this is going to do to me and the family. A few more times of the system being unusable, and the wife will have me rip everything out.

Remember home automation is no longer a hobby once it's been in place for a long duration and everyone has become dependent on the services working. Nothing in my home is operated as "mission critical" that connects to the Hubitat. Most are conveniences of having the home lit up in the AM, alerting the garage is open when going to bed. Adopting the lighting of rooms based on what is being done in the room to what the outdoor conditions are etc.

Going back to manual switches and no more scenes would be going back to the caveman days and throws away 25 years of building up these automations.

Then stop doing scheduled cloud backups until further notice, and only do them manually when you're around to fix it if it breaks.

:man_shrugging:

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I have known you well on this forum for a long time and you have my respect but what I am paying the $$$;'s for the cloud backup. At least someone from Hubitat could have responded. It's the principle now not the function. I have given many years to this platform Someone could have responded with an explanation.

I got the same type of response from a cloud backup provider that stated, "maybe you should only backup once a week since we are only a last resort service. " I guess we no longer expect to get what we pay for in the market.

Sorry to take such a tough stance but this type of service is happening everywhere from streaming services that don't work to internet providers that can't guarantee internet. It's all coming crashing down in today's marketplace.

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Hello, :wave:

As per my knowledge, You need to try these steps:

  • Update Firmware
  • Check Backup Settings
  • Monitor Resource Usage
  • Check for Interference
  • Rebuild Rules

I hope this will help you.

Thanks! :blush:

Of course, do what you think is best.

The facts are:

  1. They are actively working on it.
  2. There is no ETA for a permanent fix, but it is expected that there will be one eventually.
  3. No amount of being mad about it or complaining will speed up #1 above.

Based on above, at this time you can:

  • Continue to do scheduled cloud backups daily which may (but usually don't) break your hub
  • Continue to do scheduled cloud backups, but reduce the frequency (which reduces the opportunities for the cloud backup to break the ZWave)
  • Not do cloud backups at all
  • Do cloud backups manually periodically when you are present to ensure the hub does not malfunction after the cloud backup.

The choice is yours, but those are the current choices.

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