Thoughts on router manuf. ban for the usa

Any thoughts on this new rule that all consumer routers and even s/w upgrades (after march 27) have to be completely done in the usa.

While i understand the rules the s/w update requirement seems troubling.

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Worldwide?

I think it’s dumb, and a waste of my tax dollars… but the only thing i know i can do about it is vote. So, i’m goanna keep doing that and hopefully more Americans will join me.

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I hadn't heard that. Got a link?

https://www.google.com/search?q=foreign+made+router+ban+usa

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Ya, as soon as I wrote it I was sorry.

no biggee i wasnt trying to obnoxious if i came accross that way.

I don't live in the US but this is a good read from The Verge with some explanations or should I say non explanations and no reasoning to it really ...

sorry link is invalid.. cant read it unless you subscribe.

That's weird, I can read it and I'm not a subscriber? Well here you can have him as a guess on TWiT with a good resume of his article

I think they have a counter on the number of free articles you can get, because sometimes they allow you to read the full article, sometimes they don't.

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The explanation is visible in the link that shows in your post:

Shakedown seems pretty accurate to me.

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Yeah. Stupid is the first word that springs to mind.

  1. Consumer grade "routers". Huh? "Commercial Grade" and "Enterprise grade" get a pass? Why? Because they implement radius. Lol.
  2. The "routers" that drove the NIST reporting underlying this Stupidity ARE NOT AFFECTED by the Ban. IOW, all the stuff currently on the market, or previously approved can still be sold.
  3. There are no "Routers" made in the USA. None. Unless you count Starlink.

Read the NIST reports linked or referred to in the FCC ban. The FAQ is enlightening too.

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he just wants bribes..

i have both commercial (mikrotik) and consumer (multiple asus) in my houses as well as netgear orbi in the rental condos.

what worries me is the software upgrade issue.. if they dont get a pass or possibly start manuf. in the us we dont get software upgrades after next year?

totally wtf.. that makes it worse.. people will keep running older routers without the latest security patches. wtf

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The part that made me scratch my head was that existing routers are "allowed" to get security patches only until March 1, 2027.

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I have some troubling suspicions--but totally off the top of my head (absolutely not the slightest proof or anything else to support my suspicion--just a wag).

I suspect NSA and other TLAs don't care so much about businesses. But, they sure might expect to find interesting stuff to feed into AI from consumers.

In ANY case, it's going to leave consumers stuck with security bugs, higher prices, and no new features. Regardless of the reason, it's going to be horrific.

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Yeah. Ridiculous right? I also seemed to pick up a hint of direction towards "managed" devices, that is certified and installed by someone other than the consumer. But I may be paranoid!!! :man_shrugging:

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Ah. Maybe not so paranoid, looks like @rob9 might have gotten a whiff of that too.

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The following link was readable for me (blocked on TheVerge - Which I generally like) -
And the following includes links to the FCC FAQ. - YMMV

I am sorry that we have to deal with 3rd party articles that have a agenda when trying understand a complex topic of compromised or abandoned products by vendors. I haven't seen such hatred of a person in the blogs and the half truths they are telling since they wanted Microsoft broken up because of Bill Gates.

I am going to leave it at this because I don't think anything I can say will persuade this group. My comments are based on my participation in security matters with my current client I am working with, for they been effected by compromised routers in the field and not just consumer and remote worker access but also the big players like Cisco.

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I don't live at the USA, but wouldn't it be simpler to have local internet providers blocking certain IPs, such as those with which the routers in question communicate?

Please excuse me if I'm talking nonsense, but I think that would be more effective - but also possibly circumvented through a VPN...