Thoughts on C8 and the release too soon?

New hub old hub same results Mike. I'll be glad to use the replacement hub, as soon as I can get Hub protect moved over. I tried switching but the support form won't let me use either hubs Mac Address.

Send me a private message, I'll take care of it and will check why the MAC address didn't work for you.

By the way, you don't need Hub Protect moved over in order to migrate, so that shouldn't stay in the way of using the replacement hub.

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I did have some issues with my Zigbee devices after doing a hub firmware upgrade. The Zigbee channel changed from what I have always used and the power level changed as well. Some others reported a similar issue. The support staff was aware of the issue and rel;eased a firmware update shortly thereafter than restored my Zigbee mesh, with the exception of an Aqara device which I have since replaced.

Although @shawnx1 seems to thing the C8 Zigbee radio is weak, my impression is that it is is too strong, especially with the addition of external antennae. I have reduced the power setting of my Zigbee radio to prevent signals from being too strong. Ideally, the hub should connect directly to repeating devices and connections to other Zigbee devices should be through the repeaters rather than directly with the hub.

In contrast, with the new 800 series Z-wave radios, most of my Z-wave devices are connecting directly with the hub at 100 mbps. It bypasses my repeaters with the exception of locations for which no line of sight signal is possible.

Zigbee has a different mesh networking philosophy than Z-wave. Devices are expected to connect through nearby repeaters.

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Like I said in a thread somewhere else relating to flaky presence, I think we're just in a very complex and interconnected world and not many things work properly anymore.

We're all here and we have to get used to it, it's not changing, in fact it seems to be consistently getting worse. I don't mean here, I mean almost everywhere. Like someone said above it happens everywhere even cars and airplanes. How about food recalls, drug recalls. It's pretty much a mess.

I don't mean to be a downer but I'm a realist, and this is our reality. I cross my fingers and continue to hope things will get better.

Look into "normalization of deviance" if you're interested, it's a real thing.

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That I don't know.
Functionality is still pretty basic.

I use it as a way to get some Ikea products into HA.
Long term hope is to use it's Matter capabilities (once released) to get Ikea gear into Hubitat (I currently use ST for that for my "production" ikea devices).

Anyway, while reading this thread I checked my Dirigera hub with the various buttons attached to it, and one button did "fall off", but automatically reconnected as soon as I pressed it.

are you and Mike serious? For one I just got the Hub Saturday or Sunday. I tested it out same results as the original C8. I can't migrate the Zigbee my zigbee was on a C5 and Zwave on a C7. I have to have time to bring over everything over to the C8 then go back and reset or redo all the apps and rules that use zigbee. I do need hub protect I came close to not even having any Zwave device show up when I migrated to the replacement hub. I'm not taking that chance again.

What he's saying is that, at least for now, the migration option is available for the C-8 regardless of whether the old hub had Hub Protect.

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Ah, so you're a #2 type. @bobbyD has offered PM support. I think you'll be happier if you take the offer.

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yep that's me

I didn't bring a discussion with them to the public they did. so I would say mind your business but they brought you into it,.

Ima bow out. I've seen this story too many times. Flies, honey, etc...

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Never blocked someone on here, but every once in a while someone with an inflated sense of worth and a bad attitude makes it awfully tempting....

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You've just described the plot for the new movie: "Strangers On A Train -- Tech Support Edition"

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You were also convinced a recent thread was deleted by staff because it contained “bad press” about the C8, before you had any actual information to support that conclusion, and when the real reason became apparent, it wasn’t that.

Right?

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I have read many of the forum comments about Zigbee on the new C-8.

I am convinced that the issues relate to two key differences with the C-7.

  1. Zigbee 3.0 versus Zigbee 1.2. I know that they are supposed to be upwards compatible - but there are always minor differences.
  2. Increased (greatly) power on the C-8. As you are all aware, the C-7's power was around 8, and now it could be up to 12-16-18-20. This will have a great effect on the mesh. Perhaps repeaters will not be needed (as much).

These changes cause slight incompatibilities - unfortunately, we have to deal with them - that's the price of progress.

P.S. I know I'm in the minority, but I really liked Motion Lighting and I found Room Lighting to be too complicated. That too, is the price of progress. (I still have a few motion lighting, and I know I can keep them, but I go with the flow, and I'm going to convert them all.)

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We're talking about an open system that supports thousands of devices from hundreds of manufacturers using multiple communication methods and an extensible programming model.

Is it the customers fault? No. But if you've got any experience of tech you should understand the inherent complexity of the product and realise that early adoption comes with risks.

you've learned a hard lesson about early adoption. Trust me I've been there.... I've learned the same hard lesson a long time ago on some other product I updated too soon causing me a world of pain & wasted time.

if it ain’t broken don’t fix it.

As far as the Boeing 737 Max is concerned, what you have stated is incorrect on so many levels and is insulting to those who lost loved ones. The American Pilots Association, the Federal Aviation Administration, along with the Departmen of Justice all have unequivocally stated that the 737 Max crashes had nothing to do with pilot error and was instead the exclusive fault of Boeing.

387 in service aircraft don't get grounded based on pilot error. Also out of the 387 grounded planes, only 72 of them belonged to airlines in the United States of America. The rest of the 737 Max (315) belonged to airlines outside the United States. The ethnicity and/or country of origin of the pilots had nothing to do with the crashes. Airlines outside of the USA simply owned and operated a lot more 737 max aircraft, they still do.

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Can a moderator move this to the lounge? This has nothing to do with the release of the C-8 product at this point.

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Yes and yes. I made the same observation/comment a few days back. I own the dongle E, and it's staying in it's box till this gets solved. Interesting that I signed up for a free EFR32MG dev kit from SI after attending a webinar. Well they never filled my order and said the "chip is no longer recommended" for new designs. Hopefully they'll still support the chip with bug fixes and not just "run away" from the mess they created.