Scenes / Activation Issue

Hey Y'all,
So I have 2 bulbs at the front of my house, and when the front door opens I have a scene to turn those 2 bulbs on. Here is the scene and the settings..

But this is the logging I get when this activates off the contact sensor.

dev:5152019-08-30 10:15:04.296 pm infoHue front 2 was turned off
dev:5152019-08-30 10:12:30.275 pm infoHue front 2 color mode is RGB
dev:5152019-08-30 10:11:59.580 pm infoHue front 2 was turned on
dev:5152019-08-30 10:11:59.505 pm infoHue front 2 color mode is CT

dev:5142019-08-30 10:15:04.282 pm infoHue front 1 was turned off

dev:5142019-08-30 10:13:30.266 pm infoHue front 1 saturation was set to 81%

dev:5142019-08-30 10:13:30.264 pm infoHue front 1 hue was set to 52%

dev:5142019-08-30 10:11:59.072 pm infoHue front 1 color mode is CT

dev:5142019-08-30 10:11:59.070 pm infoHue front 1 was turned on

dev:5142019-08-30 10:11:59.065 pm infoHue front 1 was turned on

any ideas @mike.maxwell / @bravenel

Please learn to use screenshots for logs instead of copy/paste. From you what you posted, it is not possible to know what is going on, given events at 10:11, 10:13, 10:15.

Try this: get a brand new log page by hitting Logs on the left side menu. Open the contact sensor. Take a screenshot of the logs page, so it shows all of the events for all devices and apps.

Hey @bravenel - I will try, but I have a very active log and the events dont happen close together, thats why i copy/pasted from the device log instead.
My 14 yeelights alone clog up the log with their heartbeat messages..

I can get you a screenshot, but its obvious there is something off if the bulbs told to do one thing in the scene (screenshot above) and the logs are showing it doing something else.

10:15:04.282 pm Hue front 1 was turned off
10:13:30.266 pm Hue front 1 saturation was set to 81%
10:13:30.264 pm Hue front 1 hue was set to 52%
10:11:59.072 pm Hue front 1 color mode is CT
10:11:59.070 pm Hue front 1 was turned on
10:11:59.065 pm Hue front 1 was turned on

10:15:04.296 pm Hue front 2 was turned off
10:12:30.275 pm Hue front 2 color mode is RGB
10:11:59.580 pm Hue front 2 was turned on
10:11:59.505 pm Hue front 2 color mode is CT

Just curious, are your Hue bulbs going through the Bridge integration, or are you using them as directly-paired Zigbee bulbs?

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You can turn off Debug logging on the device page.

The GU10s are through the bridge - the bulbs in question, yep.

Right, we are splitting hairs here.
I'm showing you what is happening when the contact fires the scene, and you are asking what else is happening at the same time that might affect it (if thats my understanding).

But what im Showing you, is that the scene has the bulbs set as CT and temp colour, and in the device log you can see - one bulb after its been on for 7 seconds is being told to change to RGB...
That has nothing to do with whatever else the hub is doing.

The scene is set for after 8pm, i'll grab it and post it then. I will turn the logging off for the yeelights and try and catch them all in the one screen. I realise the logging can be turned off, but since my system has yet to be stable to a point im happy - I am addicted to watching the log (much like the matrix) tick by on a second screen watching for errors or dropped telenets..

I'm only asking these things because it is very difficult to tell what is happening, enough so that I don't have a clue. Poring through verbose logs looking for clues is not something I'm up for.

Perhaps you could do this. Go into Devices and find the Scene activator device. It has the same name as the scene. With a blank Logs page, turn it on. Then show the logs immediately after with a screenshot.

I hope you're sitting down...
I activated the scene with logging on. After 4 minutes the RM3 turned the 2 bulbs off. This is what the log shows.

also - for some reason one bulb was turned off a minute before the other :man_facepalming:

Are you sure there's no other app/automation that might be turning these off after you turn them on? (Like Bruce, I'm a bit confused about the problem--it seems to be the things that happen a few minutes after this scene is activated, which could easily be caused by something else.) What does the "In use by" section on the problematic device look like? If any of those are Rule Machine children, enable logging on those to be sure they're not running (in which case you'll see them in the live or past logs, which will help pinpoint or eliminate these as a possible problem)--same for any app you can enable logging on that these devices use.

I asked about direct pairing because I have seen a problem with scenes on directly paired Zigbee bulbs: sometimes a "set level" or a "set color temperature" just turns the bulb on but requires me to activate the scene twice in a row before it actually goes to the settings I want (Bridge bulbs do not have this problem for me). I'm guessing that's not what's happening here.

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Yep - good point.
The scene is in use by one simple lighting rule, and yep - I can see now it has an off of 3 minutes which I should remove and leave the RM3 to do the power off cycle.
But from my post above, the light was turned off 2 minutes and 15 seconds after it was turned on.

The bulb is only in use by the 3 different colour scenes, the contact rule and the RM3 to turn them off after 4 minutes.

ok so digging a little deeper, I checked the hue app - all bulbs listed no issue.
Had lunch, checked it again and both bulbs say "unreachable". Gave it another 2 mins and they are reachable again. I moved the Hue hub a week ago as it was too close to my bed, but maybe I moved it too far forward in the house, so i've moved it almost back to its old location but higher - not sure if that helps and i'll keep an eye on it see if they go unreachable
BUT
I dont see how that would change the rules / colour that the bulbs are reporting in the logs.

Ever think to pause all of the rules except for what your'e struggling with to troubleshoot? I know it takes a lot to pause rules, but if you do that and nothing affects the lights after you to that, then you need to look into your rules to find the hidden easter egg changing your colors. If you take the interference out of the mix and un pause rules one by one, you'll probably be able to pin down the issue. I've changed the name to something before and caused things to get interesting in the homestead because of it. Just a suggestion.

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At the distinct risk of sounding mean and uncaring, even though I'm not, I can't help you until you follow the instructions I have given you twice now:

It's pretty clear that you have some complications going on, and the odds appear to be high that this has nothing to do with Scene activation, but rather with your other complications.

Hey April,
the only rule is the front door one. The Green and Pink can only be triggered by presence returning which isnt an issue cause im trouble shooting it all from home. I get what you mean, ie the house of cards, but in this case, theres only one card.

Bruce, I dont think you are actually reading my replies or looking at the screenshots.
I gave you exactly what you asked for and all that showed up In a NEW LOG was one entry. AKA what I replied with. Its what you're asking for, I already sent it.
https://community.hubitat.com/uploads/default/original/3X/c/b/cbaaf4a25829cc8ee433001ee1604f437e3c2927.png
Asking me to "learn how to send a screenshot" VS copy pasting the log where there is nothing else to see, and in the same post i've sent screenshots was probably the "mean" part.
I've sent pretty much every screenshot for everything to do with the scene and its activities above.

Here is the contact sensor log page:

Here is the scene activator log page:

Here is the simple lighting log page:

None of those are blank log pages, so it's not possible to see everything together affected by the action. And yes, I am not looking at what you've provided as it is too difficult.

You get a blank log pages by either clicking on Logs on the left or refreshing the page.

i'll get the contact one tonight as its set to fire at night.
Scene activator, new log page

It looks like it did exactly what it was supposed to do. Do you see some problem with these logs?

Please show a screenshot of the Application State section for your Scene, from the App Status page (gear icon).