Rule machine doesnt trigger when app is not running in the background in my Samsung note10+

@steve.maddigan i checked life360. Question for you.

  1. Do you need to be a paid subscriber to the app in order for it to work?
  2. Do i need to install a driver for hubitat to recognize life360 as presence sensor?

Thanks!

Here's a screenshot of my rule for reference.

Thanks @thebearmay and @bobbyD for letting me upload image in post.

  1. No I do not have a paid subscription for life360. I just use the free account. It doesn’t seem to expire. I used it before the HE came out and then three months later switched back to it. I guess that’s roughly a year and a half ago.

  2. There is a built in app called life360 connector. Install that and plug in your life360 credentials and it creates a device.

Technically, yes, but I had really bad luck with that (it went offline all the time, probably because the iPad was sleeping--even though you'd think that if it were a hub they might do something to help with that), and I notice that Apple no longer lists this prominently in their docs as an option anymore, though it still does work. Apple TV and HomePod are the ones that they do mention, and my HomeKit experience--including presence automations--got a lot better after I switched to a HomePod Mini for this (pretty much 100% except for when I moved it to a corner of my house that apparently had spotty Wi-Fi; this is all I ended up using it for, so an Apple TV for a bit more money might have made more sense, but eh).

Created device

And since I was switching back and forth a bit I change a virtual presence and then use that in other rules.

I looking at this rule now, I wonder if I could just use the “track triggering device” like I have done with dimmers. Hmmm

Oh. And there are going to be people on here that will look at your rule and say that you should never use gps presence and a single input to unlock your door and that you should combine it with a wifi sense etc. I say if you are comfortable with your setup, do what you want.

Last note: I keep drive detection enabled. It increases the ping rate when you are driving. Normally the app uses 1-2% of my iPhone 10 battery.

Thanks for answering my questions.

So i tried adding life360 via hubitat and was able to provide credentials and selected my circle. However when i tried to add my place, it doesn't show up the two places i setup in life360 app. I have setup home address and office addresd. My assumption is it should show up in hubitat as my setup circle did.

Maybe im missing and steps?

Thanks for those inputs @steve.maddigan. with regards to combining my gps triggers, would "validate location on network change" setting help? My assumption is if that's checked then my presence won't be triggered unless i reconnect/disconnect to my wifi which essentially only happens if I'm steps away from my main door.

This app may be more what you are looking for over the built in life360 support.

I believe the built in app only supports one location. I am just using it for my home location.

Please take a look.

Short answer is I don’t know.

Most people are using a combined presence. I think there are a few variations of this but here is a popular one.

I want my lights turned on already when I drive up my street so I rely on life360 only. I get notifications on my watch and I have never had a false presence detected when I wasn’t at home and I have only had it miss my arrival once - actually it was just delayed by 5 minutes for some reason but came through eventually.

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Thank you for all your inputs. Will try life360 for now and then look into the combined presence once i can confirm that my rule is stable and working fine.

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Looks like life360 doesnt work anymore. Can login and select my circle but the "places" seems to stop working. Saw few posts about it saying the solution is to login in the web portal of life360 and add places in there. But life360 removed that functionality last may 2021 i think for some reason!!!

I tried both the built in app and community app but to no avail.

Is this something that i should be emailing the hubitat dev support or life360?

So i was able to go out today and test the note10+ presence. I can confirm that it does seems to report the arrival event based on event logs under device if app is running. But the sad part is that my rule didnt kick in.

I just set it up today and it does seem to work.

This is what is see when i try to add life360. All ok except for places not populating:

Mine looks like this. Weird that you don’t have anything to select. Sorry I don’t know how to help.

Thank you for checking this on your end. I think i accidentally found a solution. At least for android user like me who's stuck not able to add place.

What i did was add someone who's using an iPhone to my circle. In this case, my wife. From my wife's iphone, there's an option to add places. So i did that. Right after adding it from her iphone, i went back to my note+ and open up hubitat and tried to add life360. Lo and behold, places magically showed up in there!

Hope that helps someone who's in the same boat as i am.

Having said all that, i have'nt gotten a chance to test this new life360 trigger though. I'm hoping it will.

Hahaha. What a work around. Yah Apple lol

You can test it by moving your home location in life360 to somewhere else so you are “out” of the circle. But I understand that if you have it set up you don’t want to screw with it.

Hope it works for you.

Yeah, don't want to mess it up at this point hahaha. So far, it's been working great! Life360 presence definitely more stable.

Thanks for all your help!

Cool. Glad it’s working. Yeah you want it be a “set it and forget it” feature that just works.

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