Room Lighting Turning off issue

[user6115]

I have an issue where my kitchen lights do not always seem to turn off, two nights in a row, but given I am a totally newbie it could be something I have done.

I compared the Kitchen RL parameters with another room that seems to work ok and found one key difference - the kitchen did not have a transition time set. The Kitchen consists of white ambient bulbs and colour bulbs and the other room has just colour bulbs. All managed through Cocohue and the Hue hub, all bulbs are Hue.

So I tried to set a transition time and there was no facility for me to enter a transition time at turn off, only at turn on.

I then tried cloning the room that works to the kitchen and the transition time at off became the delay time.

When I was setting up room lighting in other rooms, the kitchen was one of the last I did, I had observed on another set an activation and turn off issue that seemed to be fixed by setting the transition time.

So not sure if this is how it is supposed to work or if it something I have done, The lights were on at 05:00 this morning and the details of setup and the log taken at that time are below. Kitchen light switch V is a virtual switch to facilitate multiple ways of turning on or off the lights and was not invoked in this period.

app:1012023-08-05 12:37:58.469 AMinfoIgnored Turn Off Event: 'Kitchen Sensor 1' illuminance 1 not > 500

app:1012023-08-05 12:37:58.457 AMinfoAlready Activated

app:1012023-08-05 12:37:58.454 AMinfoActivation Event: 'Kitchen Sensor 1' illuminance 1

app:1012023-08-05 12:30:02.339 AMinfosetColorTemperature: Kitchen spot 3, temp: 2203, level: 47, rate: 5

app:1012023-08-05 12:30:02.274 AMinfosetColorTemperature: Kitchen spot 2, temp: 2203, level: 47, rate: 5

app:1012023-08-05 12:30:02.223 AMinfosetColorTemperature: Kitchen spot 10, temp: 2203, level: 47, rate: 5

app:1012023-08-05 12:30:02.191 AMinfosetColorTemperature: Kitchen spot 1, temp: 2203, level: 47, rate: 5

app:1012023-08-05 12:30:02.059 AMinfosetColorTemperature: Kitchen spot 4, temp: 2203, level: 47, rate: 5

app:1012023-08-05 12:30:01.941 AMinfosetColor: Island 2, level: 50, rate: 5, hue: 11, sat: 20

app:1012023-08-05 12:30:01.869 AMinfosetColor: Island 1, level: 50, rate: 5, hue: 11, sat: 20

app:1012023-08-05 12:30:01.700 AMinfosetColorTemperature: Kitchen spot 9, temp: 2203, level: 47, rate: 5

app:1012023-08-05 12:30:01.541 AMinfosetColorTemperature: Kitchen spot 8, temp: 2203, level: 47, rate: 5

app:1012023-08-05 12:30:01.422 AMinfosetColorTemperature: Kitchen spot 7, temp: 2203, level: 47, rate: 5

app:1012023-08-05 12:30:01.351 AMinfosetColorTemperature: Kitchen spot 6, temp: 2203, level: 47, rate: 5

app:1012023-08-05 12:30:01.228 AMinfosetColorTemperature: Kitchen spot 5, temp: 2203, level: 47, rate: 5

app:1012023-08-05 12:30:01.083 AMinfoAdjusting for Dream

app:1012023-08-05 12:30:01.057 AMinfoActivation Event: 'Otto Hubitat' mode Dream

app:1012023-08-04 10:18:36.643 PMinfoIgnored Turn Off Event: 'Kitchen Sensor 1' illuminance 10 not > 500

app:1012023-08-04 10:18:36.627 PMinfoAlready Activated

app:1012023-08-04 10:18:36.625 PMinfoActivation Event: 'Kitchen Sensor 1' illuminance 10

app:1012023-08-04 10:13:38.682 PMinfoIgnored Turn Off Event: 'Kitchen Sensor 1' illuminance 0 not > 500

app:1012023-08-04 10:13:38.636 PMinfosetColorTemperature: Kitchen spot 3, temp: 5405, level: 94, rate: 5

app:1012023-08-04 10:13:38.566 PMinfosetColorTemperature: Kitchen spot 2, temp: 5405, level: 94, rate: 5

app:1012023-08-04 10:13:38.498 PMinfosetColorTemperature: Kitchen spot 10, temp: 5405, level: 94, rate: 5

app:1012023-08-04 10:13:38.429 PMinfosetColorTemperature: Kitchen spot 1, temp: 5405, level: 94, rate: 5

app:1012023-08-04 10:13:38.364 PMinfosetColorTemperature: Kitchen spot 4, temp: 5405, level: 94, rate: 5

app:1012023-08-04 10:13:38.302 PMinfosetColor: Island 2, level: 50, rate: 5, hue: 11, sat: 20

app:1012023-08-04 10:13:38.224 PMinfosetColor: Island 1, level: 50, rate: 5, hue: 11, sat: 20

app:1012023-08-04 10:13:38.165 PMinfosetColorTemperature: Kitchen spot 9, temp: 5405, level: 94, rate: 5

app:1012023-08-04 10:13:38.110 PMinfosetColorTemperature: Kitchen spot 8, temp: 5405, level: 94, rate: 5

app:1012023-08-04 10:13:38.058 PMinfosetColorTemperature: Kitchen spot 7, temp: 5405, level: 94, rate: 5

app:1012023-08-04 10:13:38.005 PMinfosetColorTemperature: Kitchen spot 6, temp: 5525, level: 94, rate: 5

app:1012023-08-04 10:13:37.955 PMinfosetColorTemperature: Kitchen spot 5, temp: 5405, level: 94, rate: 5

app:1012023-08-04 10:13:37.884 PMinfoActivating for Dusk

app:1012023-08-04 10:13:37.845 PMinfoActivation Event: 'Kitchen Sensor 1' illuminance 0

app:1012023-08-04 10:09:36.794 PMinfooff: Kitchen spot 3

app:1012023-08-04 10:09:36.725 PMinfooff: Kitchen spot 2

app:1012023-08-04 10:09:36.657 PMinfooff: Kitchen spot 10

app:1012023-08-04 10:09:36.593 PMinfooff: Kitchen spot 1

app:1012023-08-04 10:09:36.531 PMinfooff: Kitchen spot 4

app:1012023-08-04 10:09:36.472 PMinfooff: Island 2

app:1012023-08-04 10:09:36.414 PMinfooff: Island 1

app:1012023-08-04 10:09:36.358 PMinfooff: Kitchen spot 9

app:1012023-08-04 10:09:36.306 PMinfooff: Kitchen spot 8

app:1012023-08-04 10:09:36.255 PMinfooff: Kitchen spot 7

app:1012023-08-04 10:09:36.207 PMinfooff: Kitchen spot 6

app:1012023-08-04 10:09:36.160 PMinfooff: Kitchen spot 5

app:1012023-08-04 10:09:36.111 PMinfoMotion Stays time over

app:1012023-08-04 10:06:23.666 PMinfoIgnored Turn Off Event: 'Kitchen Sensor 1' illuminance 10 not > 500

app:1012023-08-04 10:06:23.651 PMinfoAlready Activated

app:1012023-08-04 10:06:23.645 PMinfoActivation Event: 'Kitchen Sensor 1' illuminance 10

app:1012023-08-04 10:04:36.052 PMinfoAll motion inactive, scheduling off in 5 minutes

app:1012023-08-04 10:04:36.049 PMinfoTurn Off Event: 'Kitchen Sensor 2' motion inactive

app:1012023-08-04 10:03:40.282 PMinfoNot turning off, some motion still active: Kitchen Sensor 2

app:1012023-08-04 10:03:40.278 PMinfoTurn Off Event: 'Kitchen Sensor 1' motion inactive

app:1012023-08-04 10:03:30.310 PMinfoAlready Activated

app:1012023-08-04 10:03:30.309 PMinfoActivation Event: 'Kitchen Sensor 1' motion active

app:1012023-08-04 10:03:26.424 PMinfoNot turning off, some motion still active: Kitchen Sensor 2

app:1012023-08-04 10:03:26.420 PMinfoTurn Off Event: 'Kitchen Sensor 1' motion inactive

app:1012023-08-04 10:03:08.405 PMinfoAlready Activated

app:1012023-08-04 10:03:08.404 PMinfoActivation Event: 'Kitchen Sensor 2' motion active

app:1012023-08-04 10:03:07.620 PMinfoNot turning off, some motion still active: Kitchen Sensor 1

app:1012023-08-04 10:03:07.617 PMinfoTurn Off Event: 'Kitchen Sensor 2' motion inactive

app:1012023-08-04 10:02:37.032 PMinfoAlready Activated

app:1012023-08-04 10:02:37.027 PMinfoActivation Event: 'Kitchen Sensor 2' motion active

app:1012023-08-04 10:01:16.749 PMinfoMotion active 'Kitchen Sensor 1', canceling scheduled off

app:1012023-08-04 10:01:16.747 PMinfoCancel Turn Off Event: 'Kitchen Sensor 1' motion active

app:1012023-08-04 10:01:16.735 PMinfoAlready Activated

app:1012023-08-04 10:01:16.732 PMinfoActivation Event: 'Kitchen Sensor 1' motion active

app:1012023-08-04 10:01:14.684 PMinfoAll motion inactive, scheduling off in 5 minutes

[jtp10181]

@user6115

Ignored Turn Off Event: 'Kitchen Sensor 1' illuminance 1 not > 500

According to this log the Turn Off was ignored due to illuminance. Saying it is was not greater than 500. The only thing this would apply to is the Means to turn off trigger, rise above 500 lux. I think it is logged like that because there was a lux report but it was less than 500, so the off trigger was ignored. Is there somewhere in the logs where the motion becomes inactive?

Besides that I am really struggling with the logic you have tied in here with the lux sensors.
Turning on you have lux less than 500, so ANY time the room is dark the lights come on? The way this is setup it is independent of motion. Is that what you want? But then contrary to that you have the means to turn off any time lux is above 500, so if the room is bright the lights turn off. Don't these two things fight each other constantly? Maybe one of those sensors is outside or something and I am not understanding it correctly?

[user6115]

Thanks for the feedback and your patience. The problem is that I didn't quite understand how this worked, I think I had assumed that the two statements would act as an AND rather than an OR. So I have removed the illumination piece and with my crude test it now seems to work, I will check later tonight. I think I will need to code up separately, for rooms where people tend to stay a long time, a simple RM routine that says if the lights are on and the illumination has risen above 500 then turn the lights off.

I also managed to work out why the lounge worked and the kitchen didn't regarding turning on if there was no transition. It was nothing to do with that, I had set a switch in both to prevent turning lights on when I originally set up the lounge but never used that switch whilst the kitchen was set up the same that switch had been activated as part of what I was testing at that stage. It was my lack of familiarity with Hubitat, I am in my first weeks.

Many thanks