Problems with Trigger that is supposed to stay for 4 hours

The OP's issue is entirely different than yours. His problem are two triggers that contradict each other, so it fails for both, effectively.

What your logs show is it reporting less than 5 and reporting that it's still waiting for 4:00 hours. Why would you expect something else? Then it goes over 5 and says it failed to wait the 4:00 hours. All as expected for what you have for a trigger.

I expected it to send a notification after 4 hours of reporting a value less than 5. At 9:00 it had been well over 8 hours and it had still not triggered.

I assumed once I clicked done on the rule, the next power reading of less than 5 watts would start the 4 hour clock. It did not, the 4 hour clock did not start until it reported a reading of > 5 and then dropped back below 5 again.

All I have to go on is what your logs show, and they only cover less than an hour. If you don't believe it works, test it over a much shorter period of time to confirm that it works or not. I've tested it extensively, and as far as I know it works as expected. If you can show logs that say otherwise, I'd be interested to see those,.

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Fair enough but as I mentioned I did not turn on the logs until 9:00 when I realized it hadn't sent me a notification.

So are you saying it should work as I thought, once I clicked done it should have triggered 4 hours after the next <5 watt reading?

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I don't know what happened at noon, or what the app saw or did. No way to tell. Saying it didn't do what you expected is not the same as showing that it failed somehow. I hope you understand that from a distance I need to see pretty hard proof about what is what to have any chance of knowing what happened.

Does it perhaps need to make the transition from >= 5 back down to <5 to start the timer?

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That's the question? If so then no need for further testing. If not then I will try some shorter test to see if I can verify the issue.

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It may be the case that hitting Done while it is waiting for a stay trigger may leave it in a bad condition. I will look into that tomorrow. The bad condition would be no timer running to end the stays period, while still treating new events as not being new triggers, but ones that are waiting.

I thought about adding the time remaining to the logs for these, instead of the original stays time that it shows now. That's a bunch of coding I didn't undertake because it's messy and annoying. But if my guess above is correct, then that would immediately show that as the problem.

There is a sure way to get a rule into a known starting state: Stop it. Then when you hit Done, you know that you have a fresh rule.

Good night.

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Ok I cloned the rule above and only changed one thing, I set the stays time to 5 minutes. the first reading below 5 watts was at 12:26:26 as of 12:35:26 it still had not triggered. 13 minutes later. There is no event scheduled.

I tried to recreate the issues but it's working as expected.


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The reason that worked, I believe, is because your first level was above 10. That is the issue.

Once my rule got a value above 5 it then will trigger if it does not go over that level again in the stays time specified. If, however, every value was below the threshold it will never trigger.

Even before @pseudonym 's device reported above 8 it logged "Duration Met", which indicates it was not dependent on the value being above >= 10, as I had proposed earlier.

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I set the power to 2 then I saved the rule to clear out the wait and start over. I then set the power to 5 and 10 minutes later... nothing. No scheduled job. Power changes to 6 and still nothing. Power changed to 12 then 7 and scheduled job appears. I believe I've recreated your issue.

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A post was merged into an existing topic: Believe this is a bug in Rule Machine

This mornings around 10:30 I updated the rule, after I realized it didn't do what I wanted. The trigger was not the issue it was the loop once it triggered. So the new rule has the same trigger. After I initialized and restarted rule, it has not gone above 5 watts, however, this time there is a pending event at 2:24 which would be 4 hours.

Why it's working this time and not last night I don't know.

new rule;

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As I noted last night, this is the problem, that you hit Done while the stays was pending, thus wiping out the scheduled time. This will get fixed, so that hitting Done kills any pending stays completely, instead of just partially as it does now. Unfortunately, the way it works now leaves it thinking there is a timer running, but there is not. So it will stay reporting that it is still staying until it reports above the threshold, thus ending that condition. This is why it starts working again after that as well. @terminal3 this explains your observations as well.

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@terminal3 @pseudonym

Hmmm, perhaps that last one should say 0:00:30, instead of the final remainder. Like this:

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