OUTDOOR keypad for garage door

I am looking to replace my dumb wireless garage door keypad. It hasn't worked in a few years and there has always been battery compartment issues.

There are a lot of threads here that are 5+ years old. Anything newer mentions Ring, Xfinity, or Centralite which are designed to be indoors. There is the Frient which is quite expensive and not directly available in the US. Hubitat compatibility list doesn't appear to have outdoor models listed.

What I'm looking for:

  1. Outdoors - it will be on the tiny side wall next to the garage door, same place that garage door keypads are usually placed
  2. easy for kid to use
  3. Ability to enter/send various codes like the common dumb keypad for garage door openers
  4. Zwave or zigbee
  5. reasonably priced - dumb keypads are around $15, and the Freint is over $100. Something inbetween.
  6. While I'm at it, IF RFID is additionally there, I could consider that. Still needs a keypad for the kid. Considering hanging an RFID tag to kid's backpack, but don't really want to do that. Kid LOVES entering code or using fingerprint on the front door.

What I already have in place, in case it helps:

  1. Multiple ways to actually open/close the garage through Hubitat
  2. There is a zwave dry contact switch that I use as a simple doorbell. Don't think this will help, but hey, it's there!
  3. I already have an RFID sticker stuck nearby which I can use to trigger a shortcut on my wife's and my iPhones to open/close the garage. No device will be provided to the kid using this method for another 5+ years.

Could something like this be "hacked" (in the 1980's definition of hacking!) by connecting to a Zooz ZEN16/17 or other devices, which would be inside the garage? Here's a wiring diagram. Looks like it needs 12V and will contact a door bell (one relay), and another contact to "de/energize" the magnet (second relay). The rest of logic would be in the device, which I guess would be ok to manage directly.

Any other suggestions?

What about a used smart deadbolt/lock? Maybe with some hacking (disabling the motor for example) you could still have it functional otherwise. This way when someone enters a code, it would still send it back to the Hubitat (Z-Wave or ZigBee model).

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Purely hypothetical but...

Using a combo ZigBee/RF board paired with a universal GDO Keypad should be able to bring the keypad triggers into HE. :thinking:

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Any suggestions for a particular model with a "reasonable" price? :wink:

Amazon.com used to regularly have warehouse deals on their delivery service linked ZigBee Kwikset deadbolts. Don't remember what it was called. :thinking:

Is that still a thing? :man_shrugging:

Maybe something like this:

I just realized that trying to use an old smart lock wouldn't be easy. The keypad would be outside, but it gets it's power and zwave/zigbee connection from the inside part. So, I'd have to run some kind of extension wire and mount the inside part inside the garage.

It also mounts from the inside screws. So mounting and keeping the keypad waterproofed would be difficult if not impossible.

It seems like a generic compatible wireless keypad would be the simplest and possibly least expensive solution.

I have three of those, but they simply replace the inside knob/lever of your existing deadbolt lock. They do not come with a keypad. I like them because my existing key still works, resulting in a very high WAF. We actually hardly ever use these doors, however. We mostly leave and enter the house via the garage doors. It would be nice to have a numeric keypad, so this thread is interesting to me. :thinking:

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After weeks of searching, I accidentally came across this a few minutes ago with a screen, fingerprint, RFID, and pin code: Amazon.com: Wireless WiFi TUYA Access Control System with LED Screen/Voice, Fingerprint Password Stand-Alone Door Access Control Keypad, WG26/34 EM Card Reader Access Controller, Full Metal Weatherproof : Electronics

And this one without the screen, but with video: Amazon.com: Smart WiFi Video Intercom & Doorbell Tuya Access Control System, All-Metal Fingerprint Keypad 1080P Night Vision Camera, Video Monitoring, Fingerprint/Password/Card/Tuya APP Remotely Unlock : Electronics

It's Tuya, and works with Tuya and/or Smart Life app! So possible to get it into Hubitat? If not directly, then indirectly - I might be able to connect an extra zwave dry contact to signal "door opening".

I don't like the idea of Wifi, but it seems only the video requires actual Wifi.

Oh, and "Please note: not waterproof, Don't get wet from rain." :roll_eyes:

Update: The first link (with screen) is "weatherproof".

Well, since I'm full of irrelevant ideas today. :wink:

How about a nice waterproof KEYPAD with fingerprint reader (that only works with the Switchbot deadbolt lineup). :grimacing:

Doesn't even seem to be compatible with their GDO controller. :face_with_diagonal_mouth:

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Looks like a contender! Maybe? I already have a SwitchBot mini hub. Interested in what it sends to the hub and possible Hubitat integration.

The problem is it doesn't seem to connect to anything, except pairing directly with a deadbolt smart lock controller(turner?).

It would be nice if it could be used as a stand alone device, someday maybe. :crossed_fingers:

It seems so. Only pairs to a Switchbot lock. The mini hub is only for notifications.

Back to researching Tuya keypad.

I'm down to these. Both have RFID, Tuya app, keypad.

$30
https://a.co/d/0g2rEe7P

This one has added fingerprint for $60.

https://a.co/d/0gj8GpqX

Any red flags, thoughts, comments?

The only warning I see is that you would need to run them both power, since neither are a battery keypad.

The first one does not have it clearly, but in the produce video title screen you can see 4 wires running to it.

The second one is clearly for garages to begin with and has a variety of connections (and a diagram for them). Heck, with that you could bypass the Tuya app (after initial setup) and use a i/o device to see when it sends the signal to open the door.

EDIT:
Couple more possible options based on the ones you posted:

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So with this style keypad, if I forget the code it's just "Pop it off the wall and twist the wires together to open the door"..? :thinking:

Good point. My understanding is that it wouldn't be easy to take off the wall because there would be no leeway for the wire.

If I remember correctly, the LockPickingLawyer did a video on these kinds of security keypads. Basically, the logic NEEDS to be inside, not outside. That's why I was originally looking for a keypad that SENDS the code to Hubitat and it would figure the rest out.

Do I need to put the Xfinity keypad in a weatherproof cover, like outdoor electrical outlets? I don't think my HOA would like that. Neither would it help WAF with it's looks.

@neerav.modi have you gone down the UniFi network equipment rabbit hole? One of their access doorbell camera/keypads might fit the bill. This would require PoE be run to this location though or the older G4 Doorbell Pro WiFi did have a fingerprint and NFC reader in it.

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DANGER DANGER!!
That is a very deep rabbit hole... one that I am continuing to free fall down...

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