Moving to another country - confirming strategy

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#1

Hi all - had Hubitat in my last house and was very happy with it. I am building a new home in South America and plan to use Hubitat there. I just want to confirm I’m not missing anything…

My strategy:

  • I still go back and forth to US - so I plan to buy everything here and use it there (Lutron Caseta (with Pro Bridge), ZWave devices, etc). Power is same as US so I don’t expect any problems.
  • I will get 2 C8 hubs and use Hub Protect (this way if I have a failure and not coming to US for a couple months, I’m OK).

There’s no reason this won’t work fine, right? I can’t see any… but hoping I’m not missing something. Thanks

#2

Check your frequencies:

Country/Region Standard Z-Wave Frequency Residential Voltage Frequency Module Version SW. Lib.
Algeria EN 300 220 919.8 MHz 230 V 50 Hz H HK
Argentina FCC CFR47 Part 15.249 908.4 MHz, 916 MHz 220 V 50 Hz U US
Armenia EN 300 220 868.4 MHz, 869.85 MHz 230 V 50 Hz E EU
Australia AS/NZS 4268 919.8 MHz, 921.4 MHz 230 V 50 Hz H ANZ
Bahamas FCC CFR47 Part 15.249 908.4 MHz, 916 MHz 120 V 60 Hz U US
Bahrain EN 300 220 868.4 MHz, 869.85 MHz 230 V 50 Hz E EU
Barbados FCC CFR47 Part 15.249 908.4 MHz, 916 MHz 115 V 50 Hz U US
Bermuda FCC CFR47 Part 15.249 908.4 MHz, 916 MHz 120 V 60 Hz U US
Bolivia FCC CFR47 Part 15.249 908.4 MHz, 916 MHz 115 V, 230 V 50 Hz U US
Brazil ANATEL Resolution 506 919.8 MHz, 921.4 MHz 127 V, 220 V 60 Hz H ANZ
British Virgin Islands FCC CFR47 Part 15.249 908.4 MHz, 916 MHz 110 V 60 Hz U US
Canada FCC CFR47 Part 15.249 908.4 MHz, 916 MHz 120 V 60 Hz U US
Cayman Islands FCC CFR47 Part 15.249 908.4 MHz, 916 MHz 120 V 60 Hz U US
Cyprus
Moldova EN 300 220 868.4 MHz, 869.85 MHz 230 V, 240 V, 220 V 50 Hz E EU
Chile AS/NZS 4268 919.8 MHz, 921.4 MHz 220 V 50 Hz H ANZ
China CNAS / EN 300 220 / CMIIT 2016DJ7232 868.4 MHz 220 V 50 Hz E CN
Colombia FCC CFR47 Part 15.249 908.4 MHz, 916 MHz 110 V 60 Hz U US
Costa Rica ARIB T96, ARIB STD-T108 922.5 MHz, 923.9 MHz, 926.3 MHz 120 V 60 Hz H JP
Dominican Republic AS/NZS 4268 919.8 MHz, 921.4 MHz 115 V 60 Hz H ANZ
Ecuador ARCOTEL Resolution 12-09-ARCOTEL-2107, Note EQA.45 919.8 MHz, 921.4 MHz 120 V 50 Hz H ANZ
Egypt EN 300 220 868.4 MHz, 869.85 MHz 220 V 50 Hz E EU
El Salvador AS/NZS 4268 919.8 MHz, 921.4 MHz 115 V 60 Hz H ANZ
French Guiana EN 300 220 868.4 MHz, 869.85 MHz 220 V 50 Hz E EU
Georgia EN 300 220 868.4 MHz, 869.85 MHz 220 V 50 Hz E EU
Guatemala FCC CFR47 Part 15.249 908.4 MHz, 916 MHz 120 V 60 Hz U US
Haiti FCC CFR47 Part 15.249 908.4 MHz, 916 MHz 110 V 60 Hz U US
Honduras FCC CFR47 Part 15.249 908.4 MHz, 916 MHz 110 V 60 Hz U US
Hong Kong HKTA 1035 919.8 MHz 220 V 50 Hz H HK
India CSR 564 (E) 865.2 MHz 230 V 50 Hz E IN
Indonesia Regulation No. 161 Tahun 2019 919.8 MHz, 921.4 MHz 230 V 50 Hz H ANZ
Iraq EN 300 220 868.4 MHz, 869.85 MHz 50 Hz E EU
Israel 916 MHz 230 V 50 Hz U IL
Jamaica FCC CFR47 Part 15.249 908.4 MHz, 916 MHz 110 V 50 Hz U US
Japan ARIB STD-T108 922.5 MHz, 923.9 MHz, 926.3 MHz 100 V 50 Hz, 60 Hz H JP
Jordan EN 300 220 868.4 MHz, 869.85 MHz 230 V 50 Hz E EU
Kazakstan EN 300 220 868.4 MHz, 869.85 MHz 220 V 50 Hz E EU
Kuwait EN 300 220 868.4 MHz, 869.85 MHz 240 V 50 Hz E EU
Lebanon EN 300 220 868.4 MHz, 869.85 MHz 220 V 50 Hz E EU
Libya EN 300 220 868.4 MHz, 869.85 MHz 127 V 50 Hz E EU
Macau Clause 2, Article 58-2 of Radio Waves Act 920.9 MHz, 921.7 MHz, 923.1 MHz 230 V 50 Hz H KR
Malaysia MCMC MTSFBTC T007: 2014 919.8 MHz, 921.4 MHz 230 V 50 Hz H ANZ
Maldives EN 300 220 868.4 MHz, 869.85 MHz 220 V 60 Hz E EU
Mauritius EN 300 220 868.4 MHz, 869.85 MHz 230 V 50 Hz E EU
Mexico FCC CFR47 Part 15.249 908.4 MHz, 916 MHz 127 V 60 Hz U US
Morocco CNAS / EN 300 220 / CMIIT 2016DJ7232 868.4 MHz 127 V, 220 V 50 Hz E CN
New Zealand AS/NZS 4268 919.8 MHz, 921.4 MHz 230 V 50 Hz H ANZ
Nicaragua FCC CFR47 Part 15.249 908.4 MHz, 916 MHz 120 V 60 Hz U US
Nigeria EN 300 220 868.4 MHz, 869.85 MHz 240 V 50 Hz E EU
Oman EN 300 220 868.4 MHz, 869.85 MHz 240 V 50 Hz E EU
Panama FCC CFR47 Part 15.249 908.4 MHz, 916 MHz 110 V, 120 V 60 Hz U US
Paraguay AS/NZS 4268 919.8 MHz, 921.4 MHz 220 V 50 Hz H ANZ
Peru AS/NZS 4268 919.8 MHz, 921.4 MHz 220 V 60 Hz H ANZ
Philippines EN 300 220 868.4 MHz, 869.85 MHz 220 V 60 Hz E EU
Qatar EN 300 220 868.4 MHz, 869.85 MHz 240 V 50 Hz E EU
Russia GKRCh/EN 300 220 869.0 MHz 230 V 50 Hz E RU
Saudi Arabia EN 300 220 868.4 MHz, 869.85 MHz 127 V, 220 V 60 Hz E EU
Singapore IMDA TS SRD 920.9 MHz, 921.7 MHz, 923.1 MHz 230 V 50 Hz H KR
South Africa ICASA/EN 300 220 868.4 MHz, 869.85 MHz 230 V 50 Hz E EU
South Korea Clause 2, Article 58-2 of Radio Waves Act 920.9 MHz, 921.7 MHz, 923.1 MHz 230 V 60 Hz H KR
St Kitts & Nevis FCC CFR47 Part 15.249 908.4 MHz, 916 MHz 110 V, 230 V 60 Hz U US
Suriname FCC CFR47 Part 15.249 908.4 MHz, 916 MHz 127 V 60 Hz U US
Taiwan Changed from JP May 2017 920.9 MHz, 921.7 MHz, 923.1 MHz 110 V 60 Hz H KR
Thailand Clause 2, Article 58-2 of Radio Waves Act 920.9 MHz, 921.7MHz, 923.1 MHz 220 V 60 Hz H KR
Trinidad & Tabago FCC CFR47 Part 15.249 908.4 MHz, 916 MHz 115 V 60 Hz U US
Turkmenistan EN 300 220 868.4 MHz, 869.85 MHz 220 V 50 Hz E EU
Turks & Caicos Islands FCC CFR47 Part 15.249 908.4 MHz, 916 MHz 110 V, 120 V 60 Hz U US
UAE EN 300 220 868.4 MHz, 869.85 MHz 220 V 50 Hz E EU
Uruguay AS/NZS 4268 919.8 MHz, 921.4 MHz 230 V 50 Hz H ANZ
USA FCC CFR47 Part 15.249 908.4 MHz, 916 MHz 120 V 60 Hz U US
Uzbekistan Uz.SMT.01.334.1961745 868.4 MHz, 869.85MHz 220 V 50 Hz E EU
Venezuela 919.8 MHz, 921.4 MHz 50 Hz H ANZ
Vietnam AS/NZS 4268 919.8 MHz, 921.4 MHz 230 V 50 Hz H ANZ
Yemen EN 300 220 868.4 MHz, 869.85 MHz 230 V 50 Hz E EU
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#3

Thank you for sharing this - I assume this matters if I'm buying my Zwave devices in country? If I bring them from US - shouldn't matter, right?

#4

If you have all of them from the us, you can just use US. Now make sure the voltage/amperage is the same or you'll start blowing things. We are 120v 60 hz @15 or 20 amps.

Now while Brazil is also 120/127-220 @ 60hz Argentina is 220 @ 50hz and Bolivia is 110 @50hz etc. Make sure that everything matches up.

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#5

One potential issue: I don't know what kind of import controls they may have where you're moving to, but if you show up at the airport there w/a suitcase or two full of new IoT/automation devices that might result in some raised eyebrows and assessment of import taxes/duties.

#6

And maybe a deep cavity search

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#7

Good feedback. Ecuador. The chart says 50HZ. Nothing we have (computers, TVs, game consoles, etc) has had any issues though so not positive if that chart is right. I’ll dig into it.

And yes, very familiar with their import controls. I’m not trying to avoid their taxes - I pay them as appropriate.

#8

I found another site that says 60Hz which is what I expect. Thanks!

#9

The frequency (Hz) will not usually impact you. The hub itself works off DC.

#10

Sure but think of switches, dimmers, and plugs...

#11

I was, and any of those that rely on switching for example at a fixed zero crossover, are blinkered in their interpretation of their working environment.

#12

As with all countries, frequency ranges are allocated to different industries and technologies. If your North American automation devices conflict with other technologies in another country, you may run into regulatory problems. This is why different countries have different Z-Wave frequencies.

#13

My comment was not related to RF frequencies. I know these are important, not just for functionality but for interference reasons. I was referring to AC mains frequencies

#14

Thanks for the feedback. So is the recommendation not to bring Lutron switches, Seaver devices, and hubitat from US?

#15

That is not my recommendation. Hubitat Elevation should work fine assuming your mains voltage matches that of the power unit. If you are in a 230V~ country use a matching power unit as we do in Europe. Match your Z-Wave frequency though to the local version as per the table posted. What country are you going to?

#16

The voltage the country runs at is not going to make any difference between 110 volt and 120 volts. The voltage will make a difference between something in the low hundreds and something over 200. (Most of Europe vs North America). Utility companies in Canada and the US are continually supplying electricity with varying voltage. Simply plug a meter into a wall outlet at 2 in the morning on a day requiring no heat or air conditioning versus 3 in the afternoon on a day with heavy electrical use. In my city it fluctuates between 107 - 126 volts. Furthermore, I have seen many Canadian/US appliances work in Japan (100 volts), not a problem. If you are going to have a problem it would be with the frequency, although I would be surprised if this would be an issue with a smart outlet/switch (50 vs 60 Hz)

#17

Thanks for info. Ecuador

#18

I understand, my message was more generalized and not directed at your post. Just trying to point out another consideration :slight_smile:

#19

I have about 65 Lutron Caseta devices of which probably 20 are Pico remotes. Most of my stuff is the PRO series. Regardless, I'm just looking at a PD-6WCL sitting here which is a non-PRO version (available at big box stores). It specifies 50/60 Hz, and I don't think this is an issue. Since Ecuador is 120V, there isn't a line-voltage problem. Here's a link to a document that will provide specs for you.

#20

Thanks everyone. So if I understand right - the stuff I buy in US and bring should all work fine (110vac, 60Hz), but it's probable that any zwave devices I purchase there will not work because the frequency is not the same (based on the chart - they are 919.8MHz and 921.4MHz; and US is 908.4 and 916MHz. So if I need zwave devices, it's likely I'll need to bring them on one of my trips too.

Thanks!

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