Lots of problems

Model: C-8 Pro
UID: b0df1a70-b8d7-4490-8b97-18cdde9e543f
Platform: 2.4.3.164

I have read the documentation on setting up a matter device. First I bought this Hubitat device to use for matter devices for almost $200. Then I had to buy a Phillips Hue bridge to be able to add matter devices. So, I'm almost $250 in a nothing to show. At the point I want to return this thing.

My Hubitat won't discover Matter devices.

I added the Homekit app to my Hubitat. I connect my hue bridge to Hubitat. I enabled the integration. I cannot get the STATUS icon looks bad. I have no clue how to describe the icon, but a handsake with a line. What does that mean? I am totally unclear as to whether my bridge is linked correctly.

What is the process to get this working?
I have the Hubitat, Hue Bridge (matter version), and two Linken WRGB matter bulbs. Bulbs work on Homekit through the bridge.

I have no clue where to begin.
Please assist.

J

You don't need a Hue Bridge to add Matter devices, so I'm not sure where that idea came from. If you can share where you presumably read that, it may help clarify. You do need a Thread Border Router if your Matter devices are Matter over Thread (a Hue Bridge won't help with that), and you can use another Matter controller to pair any other Matter device with Hubitat, but it's not strictly necessary. This will explain more:

I can’t think of any Matter context in the UI where this would be presented. Can you share a screenshot? It almost sounds like you're trying to add it as a HomeKit device instead. Thanks!

PS - Join the owners group here if it doesn’t let you add a sceenshot: Hub owners - Hubitat

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See the attached screen shots. Note the status icon.

What is a Matter controller? I am not clear on what Extra device is needed to connect Matter devices? Should I return the hue bridge?


Are the bulbs Matter over thread or Matter over Wifi, Do they have a code stuck on them,

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OK, so you are using HomeKit, as I suspected, not Matter. That can work if your device is HomeKit-capable (I think the Hue Bridge 2 still is, but I know the Pro isn't), but if your devices support some other protocol, I'd consider that instead. In this case, I'd say the builtin Hue Bridge Integration is the best choice, or adding the Hue Bridge as a Matter device.

As for whether you need the Hue Bridge: did you get your bulbs added to that? I'm not familiar with the brand you mentioned, but if they're Zigbee devices, it would likely work. But then you could pair the devices directly to Hubitat instead, which is probably simpler. If they are Matter over WiFi (or Thread), you can’t connect them to the Hue Bridge, so I’d definitely forget it. But if they can be connected that way, some people like managing lights with Hue even if direct integration is possible.

The terms you are unfamiliar with should be explained in the linked doc, but a Matter controller is basically a Matter “hub” or something that can act as the brains. Hubitat and Hue both are, though Hue is both a controller and a bridge (explained in the doc).

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I using that newest Hue Bridge and it supports Matter.
I am in a catch 22 here. The Hue app does not appear to support Matter devices.
I have the newest white non-pro version hue bridge.

Look under Feature Comparison: Bridge vs. Direct over Matter Setup

I am using WRGB bulbs Linkind A21 RGBTW from amazon are Matter bulbs and you have this brand for other models on your compatibility page.

The Hue app does not let me setup matter devices and they are setup in the iPhone's Homekit. I can connect them through Homekit and they work but it appears that has nothing to do with the hue bridge. I'm totally confused as to what I am supposed to be doing to get this in the Hubitat.

Based on the first photo with the arrow, what does this status icon mean? It's not clear to me.

I was finally able to understand what commissioning meant. That means that once a Matter device is paired in Homekit it is added to the apple devices "Matter Devices" page in settings. There you select the enable pairing mode and get the one-time pairing code that is added to the Hubitat's add Matter device page.

Basically it's paired and then paired again. I am still unclear what role the Hue Bridge played. I have the bridge paired in the Hue app, but not in Homekit. I was able to pair the bulbs with no problem, but never paired the bridge to Homekit.

Hallo, I have a C7 hub, running on latest firmware. I also for some time think about trying out some matter devices. I have read the hubitat documrmentation and think it is clear to me. I decided to have another additional hub / controller. As this one only would be used for adding devices, it could be a simple device. I had a look at the Aqara Smart Hub M100. Would this do zhe job?. Thank you in sdvsnce for info.

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I am using the Aqara M100 to bring in a couple of aqara Zigbee devices that are outside into HE over matter. It's worked pretty well. In the last few months I had one occasion where the temp/humidity sensor paired to the M100 stopped reporting and I had to push the button on it. These particular Zigbee devices seem to be too far away to keep a reliable connection to the HE hub thus using the M100. In addition, it gave me an excuse to try matter

That sounds good. Thank you very much for the information. So I will get one ...

I choose the M100 because it was $20. The M100 is limited to the devices and amount that can connect to it. Make sure what you want to connect will work with the m100.

I only will use the Aqara to start inclusion for the HE hub, so number of devices is not important, but thank you for the info that it does not work with some devices .

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I've just acquired a C8 Pro and finding my way with the handful of Zigbee devices I already had. Everything has gone well so far. I need to get hold of at least 12 to 15 new bulbs/power outlets to replace my (very old) 433MHz outlets + some weather sensors. It appears to me that, from a cost point-of-view, IKEA's fierce pricing of their new matter-over-thread devices is too good to pass up on.
So, from what I have learnt so far, if I obtain a thread border router (e.g. Aqara M100 - good price!), I can get all the outlets/bulbs that I need from IKEA's new matter series and control them ALL from the Hubitat C8. This is, of course, if I can get the C8 to talk to the Aqara M100.

If my plan is possible, I would dearly love to hear from anyone who could confirm this for me​:+1::blush:

Any feedback would be greatly appreciated.... :wink:

Not sure about the rest of the plan but I know for certain that HE hub will talk to the M100 hub over matter. I have a M100 with a couple Zigbee devices that I use the matter integration to bring into habitat.

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Just be aware that IKEA’s new series of devices are mostly Matter over Thread. As such, in addition to a minimum of one Thread Border Router, you may need additional non-battery powered Matter over Thread devices ( or additional TBRs) to act as Thread repeaters to create a solid mesh network.

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Thnx for feedback!
Most, if not all, of the Matter devices I plan on getting will be powered. So I hope I can get by with just one thread border router.

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thnx for feedback!
I've ordered an M100 for SEK229. Once I get it, I'll be looking for help to integrate it into HE. Not at all confident about how this procedure. Is there an "app" for it?

I remember it being a painless, straightforward process but I don't remember what I did. That usually means it was dead simple. I'll have to look. I either initiated the process through the HE matter integration or the Aqara app.

UPDATE: I'd like to say now I know what I'm doing but I would be telling a fib.
I have now got an Aqara M100 Hub purring away in my wifi home network. over the weekend, I acquired a 'KAJPLATS' E27 bulb which came with a 'BILRESA' 2 button switch, both of these being Matter over Thread devices.

This was where the fun started as I simply didn't understand what role the M100 was playing in the set-up. Pairing them directly to the M100 was a piece of cake but then the first of many pennies dropped that there is no way to "include" the M100 in HE in order to get at the newly paired devices.

So, the new devices got promptly "unpaired" from the M100. I read that I should be able to pair the new Matter devices directly in HE and this is where I made just about every mistake you can think of whilst attempting this. I run a VPN on all my stationary and mobile devices and and after reading that these should be disabled during pairing, I dutifully did this. But still no luck😔

I then continued my attempt to pair using my stationary pc and, of course, I was getting nowhere. Second penny dropping was that I should have been doing the pairing via the mobile app but still no luck😔

I continued to have no luck pairing anything until another one of those pennies dropped when I realised I did not have IPV6 activated in my router, So a bit more "settings" were twiddled with in the admin pages of the router.

More rereading the installation advice and the fourth penny dropped as I realised my mobile usually uses the 5GHz wifi channel at home, so I switched to the 2.4GHz channel. Then things started to happen!! I registered both the bulb and the button unit successfully. It was during the inclusion of these devices that you are flashed a message telling you the thread border router is being checked into and confirmed. This is the only time you are even given a clue as to what role the M100 is playing in the set-up. But after successful registration in HE, I could now apply my control rules and button controllers and I finally had Matter devices playing their part along with my numerous Zigbee devices. Even using zigbee devices to control Matter devices. Cool stuff.

And if i open the Aqara app, I just see the M100 in the device page and none of the HE registered matter devices are present. So my assumption here is that this is what is meant by the M100 acting as a Thread Border Router and not a Thread /Matter controller. I don't know whether the M100's 20 Matter device limit is even relevant here but I'm unlikely to exceed that anyway.

So to recap, my wish was:

  • To be able to control Matter devices from HE.
  • Owning none of the mentioned devices that can act as TBR, I needed to acquire one.
  • I buy the Aqara M100 for very reasonable price.
  • Set up M100 as per instructions.
  • After quite a few 'hurdles' regarding settings and method, I can now attach matter devices in HE and once they're in, the sky is the limit.:blush:

Sorry for this bloated post but I felt the need to write something here should another lost soul run into difficulties regarding Matter, Matter controllers, Matter over Thread, Thread over Wifi, Thread itself, Thread Border Routers and so on and so forth​:wink::unamused:

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Nice write-up. Surely will be helpful guide to others in the future.

In the end you got to pickup all your lost pennies...

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