Needless to say I'm not very happy about this. All of these devices worked flawlessly under smartthings but at the mome nt my z-wave network seems to be something of a sh*t show under hubitat.
devices connected but don't work:
yale smart lock
generic relay for the garage door
Extremely frustrating. I was nearly there with moving from ST only to run into a wall. Nothing like taking apart electrical boxes outside in the rain only to have the damn switches not connect.
Right now it seems like I can't get any z-wave devices to connect properly. I've rebuilt the network with no apparent change. I'm at 44 z-wave devices, is there some limit. Again all of these devices worked in the same locations under ST.
I have all those devices, except that for my garage door, I have a Linear/GoControl ZWave Garage Door Opener.
Both the Linear Garage door opener and the Yale lock REQUIRE secure pairing and both were a supreme PITA to get working, they work just fine now.
My GE Outdoor plug module is as far away from the Hub as possible and remain on my property. Between the two ends are quite a few powered devices. Including a GE / Jasco socket / receptacle, and an Aeon Micro switch.
All I mean to say from all of this is: it can work, and does for at least one of your Hubitat peers.. me.
i know the devices work, in most cases I have other version of them already on the network, which is why I don't understand why these new versions aren't pairing.
I know it sounds lame, but maybe tru excluding them again. If it’s still hooked up, try excluding using the ST hub so you can see a message that the exclusion has succeeded.
The hardest were my Linear and Yale. I was trying to bring them both over on the same day and my frustration level was at least as high as yours.
I removed the Linear and brought it to the hub multiple times. Never securely paired. Always paired, never securely.
I put it back out on the garage door and moved on to the Yale. It is literally surrounded by a minimum of 3 powered devices. Wouldn't pair securely. Always paired, never securely.
The ZWave mesh is of course, invisible. We do know that from the spec, a router device will "reach" as far as it can for another hop. Which pretty much says, it ignores the close devices. Which means in my case, "surrounded by three.." means nothing. None of those 3 might be a functional router. They may not be far enough away to be used as a router when there's a device 10' further away. For all I know, the Linear is the routing device for my Yale, which is physically closer to the Hub than the Linear! Thus, getting the Linear to work improved my chances of getting the Yale. Wouldn't that suck?
After trying repeatedly, I gave up and started reading the manuals.. convinced the manuals I had previously read were old. After reading 8 versions of pretty much the same thing, out of frustration I grabbed my phone and went to the Linear and clicked Discover on the phone and the button on the side of the Linear. I almost fell over.. it worked. Securely paired. The hub and Linear were FAR apart. They were in their "production" locations.
Of course I then tried to test my luck by pairing the Yale. Worked too.
Ok, I can see how reading the Linear manual will serendipitously allow the Linear to work. But how does reading a Linear manual help with the Yale
I used my Aeon ZWave Stick to do the Excludes each time.
Yeah I'm working with the 2 ge zwave switches. Neither do anything with exclude active in sT, but they don't effing add either. They don't do anything and both are 3 ft from what should be a good repeater, the ge zwave outdoor plug.
Well god damn it that device added as a generic z-wave swith but it doesn't work either! WTF is going on? Either I can't add a device or if it does get found it doesn't effing work.
I've repaired the zwave mesh about 5 times. Doesn't help.
My GE’s are switches and I’m using Generic Z wave driver. Maybe give it a few minutes or run Zwave repair again. Waiting seems silly maybe, but I had one Linear dimmer out of many that worked only after waiting an hour without messing with it. Weird.
Yeah hubitat just pinged me and said to let the mesh "heal" for a couple of days.
I also have 2x peanut plugs that won't join. Advice in another thread is to change my zigbee channel below 20, but I'm afraid of what will happen to my other devices if I do that.
These are all the last few of my devices to join. I've been working on this project every free moment for a week and to hit a wall with it now is really frustrating.
It's a good thought. However, if say for example your ST hub was dead, you can't do that. So @bill, have you tried a factory reset on the devices? I know you mentioned them being new, but I've had to factory reset brand new devices to get them to pair or join in the case of Z-Wave. I try to remember to just do it as a default when I get something new. You never know, what you're getting might have been returned and you think it's at it's factory state, but it isn't.
One of my biggest frustrations in moving over was similar. Turns out a lot of it was due to polling rules that I created and automations that I built too soon. When adding several devices (such as when moving platforms), add the devices and don't add any automations for a few hours to allow the mesh to work itself out before adding load to the network with automations and polling. Run a couple of Zwave repairs over time.
alright well... I changed the zigbee channel from 21 to 18 because this was supposed to help add the peanut plugs. They still don't add, and all of my other automations that use zigbee motion sensors appear to be broken.
I'm just going to shut off my webcore pistons and walk away... this is just all going the wrong direction. i was so close...
It can take time. Only been a few minutes correct? I would suggest waiting a few hours. It used to be up to 24 hours or longer in some cases. Sounds like from what @bruce is saying, that's no longer the case, but I still think it would be prudent to wait at least a few hours. Maybe not all the devices are responding right away to that change channel command.
These documents might help if you haven't seen them yet.
Any reason why the peanut plugs would still not be adding? Are we even on the right track here? It certainly looks to me like all of a sudden EVERYTHING I try to add doesn't work.
I don't have these, but have read a number of accounts that they are often a pain to add. A friend and I texted back and forth for an hour while he tried to get his to add to the SmartThings hub I sold him.
Resetting the device
If the device is powered up with the test button held down for 10+ seconds, the device will reset all Z-Wave settings and leave the network. NOTE: The device will not remain awake after resetting and will go into standby mode.
I have 90+ devices in my home. The peanut plug never added successfully until the end of my “journey”. Things went smoothly for my zwave devices for a while. Then, I could not get any thing to add except right next to the hub (and it was slow). Zigbee went better, but I found that with the battery devices,I would lose contact after a day and need to reset them. Finally, I came to discover that I need to do a couple of things (many of which have been discussed in the forums and faq)
Zwave
I needed to “build-out” from my hub. After installing 20 or so devices, it was best to “let things settle” for a day before continuing. Now I have coverage outside for a plug that Smartthings could never reach.
I did have a bad switch that was “messing things up”. It paired successfully and promptly stopped reporting. When I rebuilt my network after having sluggish and “losing” three devices, it did not report back. I replaced the device (thanks forum) and have not had an issue for a month.
Zigbee
Phillips Hue bulbs messes up my zigbee network. I went though weeks of experimentation on this one. I added 10 v3 Samsung multi-sensors and 4 v2 Samsung Multisensors. They kept dropping off-line. I have 10 PH bulbs plus Lilly and 4 light strips. My zigbee network is much happier using them with the hub link and not directly connected.
I needed powered zigbee devices. I added three Samsung plugs on the main floor of my home. This more than anything gave me the coverage I need and I have not had to reset a single zigbee device for 2 weeks.
I needed to be on a channel that sat between my mesh network. In my case, that was channel 20.
**After I fixed the above issues, my peanut plug paired, no issue. Also, it helped to factory reset it:) **
Yeah I dunno... the peanut plugs are junk, but I do need them... or something else in their place if it comes to that. The nice thing about them is that they're smaller than the iris ones and they were cheap, but it looks like the newest generation of smartthings plugs are pretty small too.
It's been 2 hours and most of my zigbee motion sensors have come back online but not all of them. The ones that have come back up may even be a little quicker.
I wish I knew the actual theory behind the "wait a few days" suggestions. I feel like the suggestion could just as easily be, "In order to heal your z-wave network you must sacrifice a goat at the next waxing gibbous moon".
What exactly is supposed to be happening over this 48hr waiting period? I get that the mesh is somewhat self-organizing, but I still don't quite understand how that's different from initiating a z-wave repair.
The other method is to power off the hub, including ST, for 15 minutes and let the zigbee devices go bonkers hunting for a controller. Power up your Hubitat hub and they should all form a mesh.
The 24 hr wait is for battery devices to find there’s no controller on their channel and begin a search. I bet way too often the find ST or you neighbor first.
