C8 hub shows devices but everything quit working

I have a C8 hub with a mix of mostly Honeywell, GE switches and dimmers, and then a few sundry Z-wave devices. I was traveling and returned home to none of the automations working. I have no idea what went wrong but nothing on the device list will respond to a manually initiated on/off command, all automations are non-functional, and the Z-Wave Device Topology map is just wacked!

The hub is a C8, as mentioned, running 2.3.9.184.

The "Last Activity" date on the devices page show all devices at least a week old, some more than a week, others much older than that.

Suggestions for where to go from here to get back to a functioning state of Hubitat automation?

Regards, Bryan

The #1 thing we advise when the entire radio jams, is to do a physical power cycle.

Settings: Shutdown. When the device is shut, unplug it for 10 seconds or so and power it back up.

The Radios stay powered 100% of the time and the only way to reset them is via a complete power cycle.

Welcome, please see this helpful post:

I think you got things heading in the right direction. Thank you.

I still have a bunch of devices with "Last Activity" date that is > week old with several being a couple months old. How should I proceed with all of these devices? Leave them for now, remove/exclude and re-add? Suggestions? Again, thank you.

Regards, Bryan

Click refresh, or physically activate the devices.

The last Activity will only update if the hub hears from them.

If your z-wave radio was down for a week it may take 24-48 hours for all the devices to fully recover. They may need to rediscover the routes to the hub, which cannot happen until the closer devices are working first.

You should not need to exclude anything.

The Z-Wave region is set correctly for my area, US-LR - 908.4 Mhz, 916 Mhz.

Well, after close to 48 hours it seems things haven't improved beyond the Z-Wave graph appearing to have recovered.
No automations were running after waiting for the environment stabilize so I checked on the device page and found that while I can see them listed, they are no longer responding to simple on/off commands. Many of these devices were working but they are not working any longer. I am reaching out again for suggestions.
Regards, Bryan

Shut down hub and unplug for 30 seconds. Once it is back up focus on one device. Pick something closer to the hub. On zwave details run a repair on it. Try activating the device physically a few times then from the hub a few times. Results?

Repair complete on a device located right next to the hub. Physical on and off changes are event logged. All attempts from the hub fail, nothing in the event log, no change to the light. Do I need to wait longer for the Z-Wave repair to stabilize or propagate?

Regards, Bryan

No should not really need to wait.

You never said what your power source was? Check my post up above for more info.

The hub is powered by the Hubitat provided plug and cable.

I see the troubleshooting assistance requests a bunch of screenshots. Here is the info as of today.

Z-Wave details:





Z-Wave topology:


The red and blue map shows a lot. The top horizontal row should be mostly blue.

I would try a different power supply, any usb-a supply 1a or greater would work.

Also try swapping the antennas in case the zwave one is malfunctioning.

From zwave details open the zwave logs and let it sit for a little bit. See if you notice any excessive chatter from a single device.

Lastly, try repairing some more of closer devices to see if they can get the neighbors straightened out.

You could also try power cycling some of the devices, air gap, unplug, or breakers.

Why is that the desired state? The first column for the hub is mostly blue now. The horizontal hub line (first row) remains mostly red. It's not clear to me how to read this chart and I didn't find any documentation about the chart either. I don't yet understand what optimal would/should look like and why.

I tried another power supply with no change in status.

None of the devices are talkative. I really only see logs from me initiating an action.

Since the power source change didn't help, I swapped it back so that I'm not introducing any new variables to this effort.
Here is where I'm at now:

  • Powered down the hub
  • Swapped antennas
  • Powered up the hub
  • Ran Z-Wave repair, initiated from another close by switch
  • Rechecked the topology map and the first column has the most blue hub connections
  • Most of the devices are responding to Hubitat initiated on/off commands
  • I have 3 wall switch devices that remain unresponsive, with no blue box hub connection anywhere
  • I plan to exclude/remove them one by one and then include them back in if their Z-Wave logic controller and radios are still operational.

I don't understand what might have triggered such a catastrophic failure as this. I would like to better understand that so that I might be better equipped to monitor for the pending failure in the future. Any thoughts on that? Regards, Bryan

If your Zigbee now goes to hell you have a defective antenna. Possibly the antenna was just not making good contact for reason though and swapping them cleared that up?

Otherwise possibly the zwave radio locked while you were gone and due to the extended outage all the devices routes got all screwed up and it just took some coaxing to get them to recover.

First column or first row? or both? Ideally both should be nearly all blue. That map is the neighbor map, so if 01 is Red that means the hub or device thinks they are out of range of each other. I think the top row is if the hub sees the device as a "neighbor" and the column is if the device sees the hub as a neighbor.

So everything else is working now except 3 devices? Thats great!

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