C-7 Continued Quirks w/routing and failed devices

This is an update or continuation of items I had posted in C-7 Z-Wave Inclusion Issues.

So after last week being fairly uneventful I was hopeful things had finally stabilized, I had moved all the Inovelli bulbs and the GE exterior smart switches to the C-5 which really seemed to help the C-7 to calm down, in fact the remaining 35 devices on the C-7 were showing either 100kbps or 40kbps. But then suddenly on Sunday I started to have issues with devices not responding a check of the Z-Wave details showed 4 failed and 2 battery devices as not responding, as well as many devices running at 9.6kbps. I did a repair on the mains devices but most of them just came back at 9.6, then I noticed that over the past week the Aeon Siren/Strobe (ZW080) had made itself the gatekeeper of the majority of devices yet this device is in one of the farthest places from the C-7 and the routing was just bad some devices routing from one side of the house to the other when they were 10’ from the hub. This device paired S0 which the C-7 just seems to really dislike. So I excluded it and moved it to the C-5. Many of the devices changed their routes back to 100kbps direct to the hub. But I still have 3 running at 9.6 and 2 of the Dome leak sensors just don’t stabilize and give a constant β€œOK” like the other sensors do. So my C-7 continues to find new ways to destabilize on its own.

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ya i have some screwy routes as well, but the route choices as far as i know are up to the individual devices not the hub. so a problem device or one that drops off that had a lot of routes going through it can definately cause issues while the mesh (especially a large one) attempts to re-adjust.
for the most part mine is working with 88 zwave devices.. I wasnt sure it would work with that many reading older peoples experiences.. Zwave is definately slower than zigbee on both hubs in both my locations...

I hope you get your issues worked out.. I have had to manually run node level repairs till some of the screwy routes going back and forth across the house stabilized to a route that makes much more sense.. I am not sure why the routing is such a pain.. i guess the devices dont really know whats near them except for radio power levels etc. And as we know (as you can notice on your wifi) those can fluxuate very rapidly.

I'm speaking out of turn here (being far from an expert). But.

I kinda get the idea that the hub has some involvement in at least the "repair driven" routing.

However, I am wouldn't be surprised if there are latent "700 series" bugs in SiLab's firmware, since that's not been put to much of a test yet either. :slight_smile:

Indeed - there seems to be routing/range issues associated with pairing newer devices (partial pairing/network busy etc), pairing some pre-S2 devices get forced into S0 security regardless and there appears to be a limit on the number of ZW+ devices you can have before things start to really flake out - something like 80-90 or so as reported by @dennypage. Of course the device manufacturers not adhering to spec also contribute to the fun I'm sure.

It seems that I haven't a problem with my C-7 Hub as my Z-wave is not working as it should or was? I did a Z-wave repair and not really understanding the Failed nodes that is showing? Does that mean that those nodes are not working? What Can I do to fix the nodes? Seems like it a lot of nodes that is not working correctly? Thanks.

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