Broken Rules - No indication

[BorrisTheCat]

@bravenel

What makes you think that this would solve the problem?

it doesn't, as you said people will be people.

It would fix the issue though of having to go through every app instance and move it to a temp then go through again and move it back to a read device. It would fix/ help the more time consuming side of things. You can't argue that that wouldn't be a very useful tool. Time it would take you to make it however , still a very good addition if it was possible.

[bravenel]

@BorrisTheCat

You can't argue that that wouldn't be a very useful tool.

I'm not arguing against the feature of device swap, I think we should do it. I'm only saying that it doesn't solve the OPs problem.

[Inge_Jones]

@bravenel

For example, if a Z-Wave device is removed using general exclusion, which may not even entail the hub at all, there is no way to know that it has occurred, as the Z-Wave SDK has no knowledge of the In Use By elements in the database, nor would it even necessarily have knowledge that the device was removed if another controller did it.

But then wouldn't the nominal device still exist, just without a hardware reality behind it? I am not sure what mechanism removes the device from the device list, so this is a genuine question.

[mik3]

Bruce the way you express yourself to your customers is a reminder of why I left.

Hubitat as a whole has a great future, and I can understand the frustration with end users, but to flat out call people stupid publicly because they don’t follow a 3 step process, well I think that is stupid.

I personally think you should have a team involved with something as important as rule machine. Maybe you do? I think resources should be focused on rule machine because that’s the bases of the entire product.

P.S

Homeseer flags an event when broken or a device goes missing.

[aaiyar]

@mik3

why I left

Apparently not. Since you still keep turning up.

[marktheknife]

Also if one actually reads what Bruce wrote, he refers to people doing stupid things.

That’s an unavoidable fact of life. Some people will do stupid things.

Not the same thing as calling someone stupid.

A customer service rep will pretend the customer is always right, even when they’ve done something stupid.

Bruce is not a customer service rep, but I find his honesty and frequent engagement with customers to be a refreshing change from what most other companies with online user forums do.

[Inge_Jones]

At least Bruce informs - and in as much detail as the user seems to require. No glib undetailed brush-offs

[marktheknife]

Although sometimes all a troll deserves is a glib, undetailed brush-off .