Advice on Smart Locks (Z-Wave vs. WiFi)

Interesting. Good to know.

In looking at other options, I came across the Alfred DB2 which looks promising (except it can't be controlled with the August App), but if Yale and August are no longer going to be one company, I wonder what will happen to the partnership and shared app compatibility.

I have this lock… With Z-Wave module and bluetooth.. They have another app you use, plus it connects to HomeKit…

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You have the Yale Assure Lock 2 with Z-Wave? The customer service agent I spoke to last night said the Z-Wave module wasn't available, which I took to mean it hadn't been released, but maybe it was out of stock?

Did you have to buy the Z-Wave module separately, or is there a model available that comes with the Z-Wave module? Or does it use the same Z-Wave module as the YRD256 (the Assure Lock SL)? If you happen to have a specific model number (something like YRD410-ZW2-619) that I can use to search, that would be helpful. A link would be even better.

Do you also use the WiFi bridge?

Why a different app (and what app)? Is the app directly controlling the lock (via bluetooth) or indirectly (via WiFi, HomeKit, or Z-Wave)?

I'm pretty anti-Apple and definitely don't want to get sucked into their ecosystem, so this doesn't appeal to me at all.

It was sent to me by Yale to write drivers for it.. But I was under the understanding that the module was going to be available at launch..

:man_shrugging:.. Looks newer.. Yale Assure App..

Yes

Apple Home is not required, it’s just another option.

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Thanks for the info.

The customer service representative from Yale told me that they were supposed to be available, but there was some kind of delay and they are not available yet. He had no estimate as to when they would be available though.

@bcopeland: One more question about the Z-Wave module for the Yale Assure Lock 2: Is it based on the 500 or 700 series Z-wave module?

I ask because of this other post about the Alfred DB2 vs. Yale Assure, which says the Yale lock uses the older Z-wave, but it is also referring to the older Assure lock, and I wondered if the newer Assure 2 has the newer chip (at least, if the demo model they sent you has the newer chip).

I would guess not. I don't think 700-series chips are available in quantity any more now that 800-series chips have been released.

Are you suggesting the Yale Assure 2 lock would use the 800 series instead?

I don't know how to read this to determine the answer but I would think it's here (somewhere):

https://products.z-wavealliance.org/Search/Index?regionId=2&searchText=yale+assure+2+lock

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Or 500-series.

Perfect!

That's a 500-series radio.

Thanks @Eric.C.Miller. You were right, the information is on that page.
Looks like the Yale Assure Lock 2 series (YRD450-ZW2, YRD430-ZW2, YRD420-ZW2, YRD410-ZW2) all use the 500-series chips.

I figured that out by clicking the link to this page (from the link @Eric.C.Miller provided): Yale Assure 2 Lock® SL Key Free Touchscreen Deadbolt, which says this:

And, a quick good search for ZM5101 brings me here: ZM5101 - Z-Wave 500 Modules

You beat me to it.

To close out this thread: I ended up buying the Yale Assure Lock 2 (YRD450-ZW2-619) which is finally available with the z-wave module. It (unfortunately) came with the 500-series Z-wave module (AYR-MOD-ZW2) and not a 700-series or 800-series module.

The connection to Hubitat is working great, and I was able to expose the lock to Google Home via the Community-maintained Google Home integration.

I also bought (second hand via eBay) the August Connect Wi-Fi Bridge (AC-R1) so I could get Bluetooth (built-in) + Z-wave (Smart Module) + WiFi (Connect Bridge), but I'm not 100% sure I need the WiFi Bridge, or what value that is adding, so I may ditch that.

I know this is an old thread, but following up on this and seeing if you are happy with your choice and your use case.

I have a YRD226 with a zwave module, but recently learned that it does not give me access to the APP (never thought about app controlled access until a need recently came up). How is your Assure Lock 2 working for you.

I honestly don't use smart integration other than making sure the door locks at 9pm and the only reason why I opted for a zwave is to have access to it via hub in case wifi goes down - but realize my flawed thinking since if wifi goes down, so does my remote access to hubitat if I am not home.

I would have more value in creating scheduled pin access and automating a schedule lock in the app - unless someone knows how to do that via hubitat.

TIA

So far it has worked well. Other then the fact it is a zwave 500 device and only uses S0 it has worked well. We are still waiting to see what happens with battery life, but we will see how that goes.

Same here. I've been pretty happy with my lock so far. The Z-wave connect has been rock-solid.

I only have two complaints:

  • The Z-wave interface doesn't support DoorSense.
  • The Bluetooth connection kept failing whenever I leave the August Connect Wi-Fi Bridge plugged in. This didn't impact the Z-wave connection at all. Once I disconnected and unplugged the Connect Bridge, the Bluetooth has remained stable ever since. I've been meaning to reach out to Yale Technical Support about that issue, but it has been a low priority, as I can access the lock remotely via my hub.

I have a Yale Assure2 ZWave lock and it is great. No problems or complaints to report.

Looking at one of the Yale locks now. d?

Looking at either models:
YRD410-BLE-BSP
or
YRD420-BLE-619

I'm wanting one WITHOUT fingerprint reader.

Would there be any difference to buying the model that includes Zwave versus one w/o and then adding the Zwave module? (maybe the modules bought separately are more up to date...better zwave chips or something) Or would both options result in the same thing in the end?

I don’t have any special insight into this, but I think it’s unlikely.

Personally I would order the Yale lock with module I intend to use.

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